Delta Zeta Reportedly Sues DePauw

Originally Posted by TSteven

Maybe I don't understand how expansion works, but doesn't the campus NPC decide which NPC organization to invite and not the university? My guess is that in the short term, expansion may be put on hold by their HQ.

You're right, it is the campus PHC that decides which NPC will be invited to expand. However, to say that this won't be taken into consideration by the women who sit on PHC is just plain ridiculous. I'm sure they'll make the best decisions on what's right for their campus, but this situation's left DZ with a big fat Scarlet Letter, IMO.

I doubt that any 18 or 19 year old college freshman is going to be concerned about some sort of litigation thing when rushing. They will be more concerned about the specific chapter on their specific campus.

You live in a perfect world. Sure, we'll have the open minded PNMs, but speaking as someone who used to be an impressionable 18 year old freshman, reps are everything. They don't give a shit about the litigation, but I'm thinking that there will be a lot of them who won't want to rush a sorority with a national bad rep even though it's at no fault of the individual chapters.

Perhaps I missed something, but has any other Delta Zeta chapter closed because of the DePauw debacle? If not, then why would any chapter close *because of* the DePauw debacle?

No chapters have closed. See kddani's post above. She explains it nicely.

[jadis96]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I doubt that any 18 or 19 year old college freshman is going to be concerned about some sort of litigation thing when rushing. They will be more concerned about the specific chapter on their specific campus.

However, it would make for some fun rush threads. "Like OMG, I so like ABC cause they didn't sue the university." Or "I'm all for XYZ cause I want to be a lawyer and they are know as the suing sorority."



Perhaps I missed something, but has any other Delta Zeta chapter closed because of the DePauw debacle? If not, then why would any chapter close *because of* the DePauw debacle?

Actually I had one mother who works with me come and see me a few months ago because her daughter had just accepted a bid at another school in Indiana and she was worried that maybe she should counsel her daughter to de-pledge because of this. She knew I was in a sorority and wanted my opinion. While I said I thought it was no big deal in the long run and I was sure her daughter would be fine, I found it sad that the mother's first national exposure to her daughter's sorority was this. That is where I can see this effecting DZ's numbers... if parents caution against DZ due to the media.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by OTW

Not only DePauw, but they've pretty much shot themselves in the foot and will be lucky if they'll be accepted to colonize when future campuses open for expansion.

I agree. If they think it's bad that they didn't get TCU.... they've got a lot coming to them for future colonization efforts.

What school wants a sorority that will sue because choices THE SORORITY MADE?

I'm no school administrator, but I wouldn't!

[Glitter650]

Originally Posted by TSteven

The lawsuit could have implications for fraternities and sororities nationwide. Generally, universities have no say over the internal operations of fraternities and sororities. "For a university to say, 'If you place this person on alumnae status, then we're not going to let you operate anymore,' the university is deciding that they get to choose the members," O'Neill [Kevin O'Neill, Delta Zeta's attorney] says. "That's a major concern for all the fraternities."

While I see the argument I see some holes in the logic behind it, Mainly the fact that I don't believe Depauw made the decision to not allow DZ on campus was based PURELY on the fact that these ladies were given alumnae status. Second if it was true that no University has say over *Any* internal operations of a chapter is crazy because orgs are bound by University housing rules, student organization standards, and academic standards. There is a close tie between GLO and University that can not be denied, especially if the University owns the land the GLO is housing its members in.


I don't see why DZ wants to be back on campus.. if they thought they had a numbers problem before... I'm sure it's not going to improve the situation to come back after this mess....IF they do win and the chapter is allowed back on campus, I'm pretty sure they'll be rewarded with a rush party with the gentle sound of crickets in the background.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by TSteven

The lawsuit could have implications for fraternities and sororities nationwide. Generally, universities have no say over the internal operations of fraternities and sororities. "For a university to say, 'If you place this person on alumnae status, then we're not going to let you operate anymore,' the university is deciding that they get to choose the members," O'Neill [Kevin O'Neill, Delta Zeta's attorney] says. "That's a major concern for all the fraternities."

Regardless how anyone may fell about this situation, as Drolefille noted in an earlier post, the above is what this is about. As such, I agree with Mr. O'Neill that this should be a concern for all GLOs. And I am quite confident that every GLO HQ is going to follow this case rather closely.

No Kevster, I think the university is deciding that you shouldn't notify women a week before finals that they're not going to have a place to live when they get back from break - when you previously told them that they would.

If there's any sorority or fraternity that has a problem with that, they can just bite me.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No Kevster, I think the university is deciding that you shouldn't notify women a week before finals that they're not going to have a place to live when they get back from break - when you previously told them that they would.

If there's any sorority or fraternity that has a problem with that, they can just bite me.

Kevster?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Kevster?

Kevin O'Neill, the attorney. Not you, Stevester. LOL.

I'd also like to bring up the whole "the school told us to do a membership review" thing. As we have seen on GC many times, Boys And Girls Are Different. The membership review that's been referenced was conducted by a fraternity. I seriously, seriously doubt that the same criteria was used by them, or would be used by any fraternity, that would be used by DZ or any sorority. Men and women look for different things when choosing members. If anything, the pres of DePauw was naive in not realizing that.