Buying the house back from LCAP

[GammaZeta]

Em, I am disagreeing with the "caretaker" part of Tom's argument.

From my experiences, the way LCAP is setup, and from what was posted on here, I do not believe LCAP is in the "caretaker" role anymore.

I am saying that they have evolved. LCAP probably started out as "caretaker", but soon evolved into an organization that needed to maintain fiscal viability, which in turn made the "caretaker" role obsolete.

In my previous post, I pointed out that the financial aspect of LCAP forced it to leave it's caretaker role behind.

Moose's chapter really can't talk to LCAP as if they are in a caretaker role and simply want to run their house again.

EM, I would love to talk to you over the phone soon about the legal web that is now Gamma Zeta, illegally operating corporations, the actual title of GZ and so on. You would probably find it interesting.

PM me if you want to talk. I would be more than willing to fill you in on everything, but with pending legal action, it wouldn't be appropriate on this board.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

Em, I am disagreeing with the "caretaker" part of Tom's argument.

From my experiences, the way LCAP is setup, and from what was posted on here, I do not believe LCAP is in the "caretaker" role anymore.

I am saying that they have evolved. LCAP probably started out as "caretaker", but soon evolved into an organization that needed to maintain fiscal viability, which in turn made the "caretaker" role obsolete.

In my previous post, I pointed out that the financial aspect of LCAP forced it to leave it's caretaker role behind.

Moose's chapter really can't talk to LCAP as if they are in a caretaker role and simply want to run their house again.

EM, I would love to talk to you over the phone soon about the legal web that is now Gamma Zeta, illegally operating corporations, the actual title of GZ and so on. You would probably find it interesting.

PM me if you want to talk. I would be more than willing to fill you in on everything, but with pending legal action, it wouldn't be appropriate on this board.

I suggest that someone contact IHQ and find out the true facts first.

GammaZeta I do know the true facts about how your house was turned over to IHQ and the Chapter was closed but I will not divulge where I got them from. It is in print in minutes for the GHZ!

If you take umbridge to my "Caretaker" view, I would be in hopes that someone on site can fill us in!

Moose, have the situation checked out by your Zeta and let us know if you can!

[GammaZeta]

No Tom that is incorrect.

The chapter house of Gamma Zeta is still in possession of LCAP, not HQ. Check it out at www.hampshiredeeds.com.

Also, the chapter was NOT closed. There was no disciplinary action taken, there was nothing from HQ, we never had our charter pulled. What happened was that due to several factors in regards to the chapter house (which I've already talked about in length), everyone but 2 brothers decided to move out of it.

The rent was astronomical, the conditions horrible, lack of assistance from the landlord, thefts and stolen property and so on. That is why we moved out.

We could have continued to operate as a fraternity if we wanted to without the house, or rented another house. But it was determined by the chapter that we would cease operation.

Maybe I can clarify the "caretaker" aspect as I view it. I don't view it as being a caretaker of the property for the CHAPTER (the current LXA's at the university) and the chapter's interests, but as a caretaker for the property representing the FRATERNAL and LCAP interests.

I think that the caretaker role that is currently portrayed is one of looking 10 and 20 years down the road and not of the current chapter. I'm not saying its bad or good. We've closed down a lot of smaller chapters. Why? We are in a rebuilding phase. The smaller chapters are sacrificed in hopes of focusing on the larger.

So, it is possible that LCAP may not have the interests of the chapter at heart if it conflicts with the general fraternity.

And Tom, I think you may be confused, the GHZ officially closed the chapter after we moved out and disbanded.

[Tom Earp]

That was just an over view as LCAP is part of IHQ.

Since no one has emailed IHQ, I did and am going to wait to see what I hear back. If not, I will ask another person at IHQ.

Maybe this will settle the discussion.

[GammaZeta]

Well Tom, I think you will get the answer that puts HQ and LCAP in the best light, even though it may not be the correct or true answer.

Sure, LCAP will say they are the caretaker for the chapter, and so on. But car salesmen always say they only want what is best for you. Ever buy life insurance? Do you really think the insurance salesmen has YOUR interest in mind?

Plain and simple. If there is a decision that has to be made by LCAP that will either benefit the chapter, or benefit HQ, but not both, who do you think LCAP is going to go with?

[PiLambda1]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

Well Tom, I think you will get the answer that puts HQ and LCAP in the best light, even though it may not be the correct or true answer.

Sure, LCAP will say they are the caretaker for the chapter, and so on. But car salesmen always say they only want what is best for you. Ever buy life insurance? Do you really think the insurance salesmen has YOUR interest in mind?

Plain and simple. If there is a decision that has to be made by LCAP that will either benefit the chapter, or benefit HQ, but not both, who do you think LCAP is going to go with?

Faith...

[john1082]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

Faith...

Trust . . . but Verify

[GammaZeta]

Faith. It is an interesting concept.

1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

So, where does your faith lie? In your brothers? In your chapter? In your alumni? In LXA's teaching? In HQ? In all of them?

Imagine this. Your chapter has had a bad year recruiting last year. You drop down to about 12 or 13 members. Luckily you have had a better semester and have retained 10 promising associates that have not been initiated. One day you get a call from HQ:

"Brandon, we are sorry to inform you that we will be closing your chapter due to our new initiative of closing smaller chapters of under 20 men. Although your chapter will be closed, we will be better able to serve other larger chapters. You will be mailed the appropriate paperwork for becoming alumni of LXA. Thank you for having faith in us."

How is your faith now?

There is a problem with misplaced faith.

I was raised Catholic. I went to 13 years of Catholic school. My parents, relatives, friends are all Catholic.

Over the last 5-6 years here in Massachusetts, and other places across this country, it has been found that dozens, if not hundreds of priests sexually molested children. One priest who was convicted of molesting dozens of children lives just a 1/2 mile from me.

Since those scandals erupted, I have refused to give a dime to the Catholic Church if I suspected that it would be used to defend or help with any insurance policy to defend any priests accused of molestation. Instead I have given my donations (very small) to charities.

Am I still a Catholic? Absolutely. I still consider myself a Catholic everyday. But where is my faith? To whom do I have faith in?

I've learned that my faith isn't in the PEOPLE that run the Church, it is in the TEACHINGS of the Church.

Do I have faith in LXA? Absolutely. I have faith that it brings people together for a good common purpose. I have faith that it has good teachings, to abide by your word, work hard, do right.

Do I have faith in the people who run LXA? To a point I do. But our history is too tainted to have faith in an organization that needs to make a profit. Our own founder Warren Cole was kicked out of the fraternity he founded because of issues with money. A few years ago we were lucky to make it past one of the worse run periods of our fraternities history. We're lucky to even HAVE a fraternity from a few years ago.

Do I have faith in LXA? Yes. Do I have faith that they will do what is best for every member, or individual chapter instead of what is best purely for HQ? Nope.