starting a sorority

[OmegaPDPrez]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Well, I disagree. There are numerous reasons why I wouldn't rush an underground chapter, but that's just me.

What exactly is the difference? I've never understood it. At my university we have an underground chapter of TKE and as far as i know they're a very well recognized national Fraternity.... so tell me exactly what makes being underground so different??

[AKA_Monet]

Most National organizations that are part of NIC, IFC, NPC, NPHC and multicultural organizations generally have to have legal MOU's with the college/university.

A young lady want to join my Sorority through undergraduate chapter who attend Phoenix University, the on-line University and pay as you go school. But the University refused to recognize our expansion stating a liability issues and against the mission of the university...

[33girl]

Originally Posted by OmegaPDPrez

What exactly is the difference? I've never understood it. At my university we have an underground chapter of TKE and as far as i know they're a very well recognized national Fraternity.... so tell me exactly what makes being underground so different??

"Underground" refers to groups that are not recognized by the school OR by the national fraternity. Men who join these chapters are not brothers on a national level - they've never sent in national fees and are not protected by national insurance.

Being unrecognized by the school, but recognized by the national, is NOT the same as being underground AND THE TWO SHOULD NEVER BE CONFUSED. The school doesn't let them use campus facilities or post things, like they would a recognized fraternity, but there is NOTHING "illegal" about it.

I'm not sure which of these situations the TKEs at your school and the Psi Us at the OP's school fall under - but it is very important in this instance to use the correct terminology.

[BlueEyedButrfly]

Lemons, PM if you'd like! I am the founder and president of a local sorority on a campus that had VERY limited Greek life!

[Tom Earp]

The key here is there are NO GLOs on campus except for one undergraound Fraternity!

So, most of the posts have nothing to do with this posters situation do they?

She would be starting something intirely new. I say then to her, go for it, start a group and call it what you wish. If you want to use Greek Letters, just make sure they are not being used.

You may want to try to emulate what National Organizations do and how they run their operations as far as community efforts and conducting yourselves as such. No hazing as that is a killer.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

You may want to try to emulate what National Organizations do and how they run their operations as far as community efforts and conducting yourselves as such. No hazing as that is a killer.

Just to clarify - that does NOT mean calling yourselves Chi Omega Epsilon Pi, and having your colors be cardinal and straw, your mascot be an owl, your philanthropy be Make-A-Wish, etc... (just as an example)

It means to find out how National GLOs do business, and model yourselves after that.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just to clarify - that does NOT mean calling yourselves Chi Omega Epsilon Pi, and having your colors be cardinal and straw, your mascot be an owl, your philanthropy be Make-A-Wish, etc... (just as an example)

It means to find out how National GLOs do business, and model yourselves after that.

sigh...If only someone else had followed this advice. *smh*

[LPIDelta]

Since its a state school, you might be able to make a case for freedom of association and find out why the school is not supportive. I mean, they cannot stop you from organizing--they can choose not to recognize you but that is not usually in anyone's best interest.

I would look to see if you state system has any rules re: this as well.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just to clarify - that does NOT mean calling yourselves Chi Omega Epsilon Pi, and having your colors be cardinal and straw, your mascot be an owl, your philanthropy be Make-A-Wish, etc... (just as an example)

It means to find out how National GLOs do business, and model yourselves after that.

Hm, I think that is what I said.

Also a good point if it is a State supported school.

I think you can start a group with out any problem. But depending on the feelings of the school, that is what the question is. I know that for example Alfred of teh NY State school system booted all GLOs off of campus because of a death due to hazing at a local fraternity.

Also, I had never heard of any money from the college to groups even GLOs until I came on G C!

[LPIDelta]

Actually, only a few programs at Alfred are state supported--not the entire institution, so that is not a good example. That, of course, makes for some interest legal cases....

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just to clarify - that does NOT mean calling yourselves Chi Omega Epsilon Pi, and having your colors be cardinal and straw, your mascot be an owl, your philanthropy be Make-A-Wish, etc... (just as an example)

And an EXCELLENT example it was!

[lemons232]

Thanks for the advice. The problem we're really running into is that the administration has said no to greek life. Their excuse is that people come to this school because we don't have a greek life.
So we're really just trying to find out if a public institution has the right to regulate what groups are on campus.
We're really just organizing everything right now but I'll let everyone know what happens!

[susan314]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just to clarify - that does NOT mean calling yourselves Chi Omega Epsilon Pi, and having your colors be cardinal and straw, your mascot be an owl, your philanthropy be Make-A-Wish, etc... (just as an example)

It means to find out how National GLOs do business, and model yourselves after that.

Dare I even ask the background on that one?

(I visit here occasionally, but still infrequently enough that I miss a lot of information. )

[NutBrnHair]

Oh, I was just impressed by AlphaFrog's knowledge of Chi Omega colors, symbol & philanthropy!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by susan314

Dare I even ask the background on that one?

(I visit here occasionally, but still infrequently enough that I miss a lot of information. )

Sending you a PM