HPV Vaccine: Mandatory?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by macallan25

^Would you mind digging into my private life and public records for a second?

........I forgot something about myself.

If you were here in Charlotte, I would literally shake your hand.

[UGAalum94]

Highjack:

Ummmm, Seldane. . .

Seldane may be a bad example of a dangerous drug because most problems with it had to do with its interactions with some antibiotics as opposed to the drug itself.

Seriously, it was the best antihistamine EVER as far as I'm concerned, and it's general removal from the marketplace was a bad thing overall. Although Allegra is supposed to be the same drug, I never really got relief from allergies with Allegra; I don't know why.

As far as the other drugs you listed, Blueangel, I see your point. On the other hand, it seems that a vaccine would have more limited impact. Can you think of any vaccines that have caused problems?

ETA: I can see the reference to the Swiss Flu vaccine, now. When I first read your post, I was distracted by the reference to sweet, sweet, Seldane that it eclipsed everything else.

Where can I read more about this? Hundreds of deaths sounds like a lot, but not compared to how many people died of Flu. How many people were vaccinated?

[blueangel]

Alphagamuga:

You can do a Google search on Swine Flu Vaccine to read . Here is an interesting article from a doctor who opposed the vaccine:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos13.html

More than 500 people are estimated to have been paralysed from the Swine Flu vaccine.. and estimates of anywhere from 50 to 500 people died as a direct result.

There was no swine flu pandemic. The government, as usual, jumped the gun.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Alphagamuga:

You can do a Google search on Swine Flu Vaccine to read . Here is an interesting article from a doctor who opposed the vaccine:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos13.html

More than 500 people are estimated to have been paralysed from the Swine Flu vaccine.. and estimates of anywhere from 50 to 500 people died as a direct result.

There was no swine flu pandemic. The government, as usual, jumped the gun.

OK, this incident you're talking about happened in 1976 according to that link. Sorry, but medical research is handled very differently today than it was then, and a number of the companies doing vaccines today weren't even around then.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

OK, this incident you're talking about happened in 1976 according to that link. Sorry, but medical research is handled very differently today than it was then, and a number of the companies doing vaccines today weren't even around then.

In what way is it handled differently today than it was then?

Why are you also discounting my other RECENT examples?
Vioxx, Bextra, Fen phen, Redux? Rezulin, Seldane, Posicor, Duract, Hismanl, Raxar, Propulsid, Lotronex, Baycol?

As far as being in business.. the company in question regarding Gardasil-- Merck-- has been around for more than 300 years.

Sanofi-- one of those licensed to make Swine Flu vaccine in 1976, is still in the flu vaccine business today.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by blueangel

In what way is it handled differently today than it was then?

Why are you also discounting my other RECENT examples?
Vioxx, Bextra, Fen phen, Redux? Rezulin, Seldane, Posicor, Duract, Hismanl, Raxar, Propulsid, Lotronex, Baycol?

As far as being in business.. the company in question regarding Gardasil-- Merck-- has been around for more than 300 years.

Sanofi-- one of those licensed to make Swine Flu vaccine in 1976, is still in the flu vaccine business today.

I usually make it a point not to respond, but just a little tidbit of misinformation to be corrected. Merck has been around a little over 100 years.

Originally Posted by merck.com

Merck & Co., Inc. is a global research-driven pharmaceutical company dedicated to putting patients first. Established in 1891, Merck discovers, develops, manufactures and markets vaccines and medicines to address unmet medical needs. The company devotes extensive efforts to increase access to medicines through far-reaching programs that not only donate Merck medicines but help deliver them to the people who need them. Merck also publishes unbiased health information as a not-for-profit service

http://www.merck.com/about/

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by centaur532

I usually make it a point not to respond, but just a little tidbit of misinformation to be corrected. Merck has been around a little over 100 years.


http://www.merck.com/about/

"The history of Merck & Co., Inc. can be traced back to Darmstadt, Germany, in 1668 when an apothecarty named Frederic Jacob Merck opened a chemical firm...."http://www.msd.com.hk/about_us/e_history_of_merck.html

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

In what way is it handled differently today than it was then?

Why are you also discounting my other RECENT examples?
Vioxx, Bextra, Fen phen, Redux? Rezulin, Seldane, Posicor, Duract, Hismanl, Raxar, Propulsid, Lotronex, Baycol?

As far as being in business.. the company in question regarding Gardasil-- Merck-- has been around for more than 300 years.

Sanofi-- one of those licensed to make Swine Flu vaccine in 1976, is still in the flu vaccine business today.

At least there are no ridiculous .org links in this post.

Even if it does contain completely wrong info.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

At least there are no ridiculous .org links in this post.

Even if it does contain completely wrong info.

What info is "completely wrong?"

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by blueangel

In what way is it handled differently today than it was then?

Are you serious? Are you really going to argue over whether medical research has changed over 30 some odd years??? Its sounds like you don't think it has.

[Bob Dole]

I work at the capitol and this is all I hear about these days. I think the biggest reason that there is opposition to Perry's executive order is that a lot of right wingers think that the vaccine will promote premarital sex. A nice quote I heard in response to that was, "if we developed a vaccine for lung cancer, would we block it because it would promote smoking?". I'm sure this will reach the Texas Supreme Court and overturn the executive order, because technically the Governor is supposed to enforce the laws that the legislature makes, not create his own.

I hope it isn't overturned. One of the biggest reasons for it, is to force parents to educate themselves on this subject. It's ultimately the parent’s choice if the child is vaccinated or not.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Are you serious? Are you really going to argue over whether medical research has changed over 30 some odd years??? Its sounds like you don't think it has.

Macallan has a crush on me. He follows me around like a little puppy dog. I think it's so cute!

[blueangel]

Centaur.. I was responding to this:

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

...and a number of the companies doing vaccines today weren't even around then.

[UGAalum94]

I think we should all just be aware of what is known, what the testing included, and make the best decisions we can with the help of our doctors.

While Blueangel's point about harmful "medicine" is worth considering (there have been FDA approved drugs on the market that did serious harm to people; it doesn't make sense to deny it.), I'm sure we can all think of vaccines and treatments that we are glad that we have access to.

I don't think any state has any business requiring this vaccine for school attendance, but I think if the vaccine can deliver on expectations, young women should get it before they become sexually active. Perhaps rather than spending money lobbying states to require the vaccine, Merck should focus it's advertising at teens and get states to subsidize it the cost at health departments.

[PeppyGPhiB]

blueangel, I was not discounting the more recent examples you gave. I specifically replied (using the quote function) to your point about the swine flu.

Vaccines of today and in the future are largely based on bioscience/biotechnology, just as cancer treatments are, and biotechnology did not really start to take off until the past few decades as we've gained access to more complex technology and manufacturing techniques.

Please try to keep in mind that the vast majority of drugs and biotherapies approved in this country do wonders for people's health and quality of life. EVERY drug has side-effects, even the Tylenol people take for headaches. Aspirin, which actually helps the heart health of some people, can seriously harm others. Patients and their doctors must consider the benefits vs. risks in every medication they put in their body, and it's the truth that in most instances, the benefits outweigh the risks.