New Sorority on Campus? - Page 2

OrangeJuice · #16 02-01-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

OrangeJuice - I know they are all national - but are the ones with lower numbers any of the 26 NPC member groups? That was my question.

Yes, both of the ones I'm talking about are NPC sororities.

33girl · #17 02-01-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeJuice

Yes, both of the ones I'm talking about are NPC sororities.

Thanks.

Jess - it was the 80s. Things were cheaper (i.e. expansion and running things in general) and Greek life was a lot more popular everywhere. The chapter did quite well for most of its run, from what I remember, and the pics I saw of our house were adorable!

Tom Earp · #18 02-01-2007, 05:11 PM

As we should all know, it is dang expensive to try to start up any GLO on a major campus whether it be male or female.
Many of the so called older/younger GLOs who started out as say at Teachers Colleges and expanded that way.

Say using ASA and SSS for example were not anyless better than much older established GLOs, they are still growing and expanding.

Again, getting on Major College Campi it is a lot more expensive and they cannot afford it! Competing with the tried and true with huge houses is of course a tough road and hill to climb.

There is a place for all of us.

If one GLO places their fate in only Major Schools, there will be damn low GLOs and will go out of existence!

Oh, would like to watch Major Schools Football and BasketBall on TV and go to a smaller school where I know people and not a number!

A GLO size may be 100-200 members who you do not know, but there is a whole lot of other people that one can meet and learn from!

irishpipes · #19 02-02-2007, 01:07 PM

The closed chapters at U of I are:

Alpha Xi Delta (1905-? and 1983-1990ish)
Alpha Sigma Alpha (1982-1992)
Delta Phi Epsilon (1927-1988)
Zeta Tau Alpha (1921-1988)
Theta Phi Alpha (1919-1953)
Sigma Sigma Sigma (1957-1987)

The only NPC to never have a chapter at U of I is Alpha Sigma Tau.

The 2 struggling groups are NPCs. PM me if you must know. One of them has struggled at least since the late 1980s when I was there, and has a fractional number of members compared to the other NPCs. The other struggling group has not struggled long-term like the other.

ZTA has a lovely house on campus that is presently occupied by a fraternity. http://www.illiniifc.com/page.php?pa...er_tour_id=156 DPE was also there when I was but I don't know if they owned their house. It was very small compared to the other properties. Alpha Xi Delta was also there when I was and also had a somewhat smaller house, but very nice. I don't know if they own it. Alpha Sigma Alpha was there when I was, but they had a regular residential house that was pretty far from the others. Again, I don't know if they owned that property. They were a very small chapter compared to the others.

FYI, in my opinion, a group would have to have/get a nice, large house in order to be competitive. Delta Zeta recolonized when I was there and it went very smoothly for them. A constant issue at U of I is local alumnae support. Because the chapters tend to be extremely old, they have tons of alumnae, but not necessarily in C-U, which is in rural Illinois.

Drolefille · #20 02-02-2007, 01:10 PM

Thanks for the info. On a visit to Champaign-Urbana my mom had me drive around and pointed out all of the houses she knew and what they used to be if they'd been shuffled over the years.

Tom Earp · #21 02-02-2007, 05:35 PM

Come and go do they not?

So, it happens!

Drolefille · #22 02-02-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Come and go do they not?

So, it happens!

Until you can tell me where you came up with the idea that SLU has big old houses, you don't get to talk anymore.

No means no.

Bad Tom.

irishpipes · #23 02-03-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Come and go do they not?

So, it happens!

Tom - trust me that most of that is the fraternities. U of I has in the neighborhood of 60 some IFC fraternities. Some have over 100 members and others have merely a dozen. Obviously with that broad range they may change housing situations occasionally. The sororities are remarkably stable at U of I. Of the 19 NPC groups currently on campus, only one has ever even recolonized. The rest are very old, long-standing chapters with a continued presence on campus. Of the 25 NPCs ever represented on campus, all but 6 are still open. Groups may have changed where they live on campus, but the chapters don't "come and go." And actually, none of the NPC groups have even changed houses as far as I know - at least not any time recently. That is more of an IFC phenomenon at U of I.

Drolefille · #24 02-03-2007, 03:45 AM

To clarify, my reference to shuffling referred only to the movement of chapters into and out of specific houses on campus. Not the colonization/closure of chapters.

/can't wait for Earp to mention that you can't live in the house if you're SUSPENDED! OH NOES

OrangeJuice · #25 02-12-2007, 09:11 PM

Hey guys!
Just wanted to let you all know that the resolution passed.

DeltaBetaBaby · #26 02-13-2007, 12:11 AM

I don't know how I missed this thread earlier. When I was there, the chapters having trouble received almost no support from the larger chapters. Unfortunately, chapters forget all too easily how quickly things can change. Top chapters become bottom and vice versa within five years at UIUC. A new chapter could do very well, and it is probably the right thing for the system, but it depends a lot on everyone playing fairly.

My only problem is the likely moratorium on COB. I am against this because it hurts the chapters that need to COB without helping the one that asks for it. I am sure this is what will happen the semester that the new chapter comes on, and it will hurt other chapters that need to keep their houses full (usually 4-5 chapters COB after formal recruitment, and it is not necessarily the same ones every year).

33girl · #27 02-13-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by adpiucf

Seeing as the decision has been made to expand, I wouldn't be concerned about the smaller chapters' feelings. I am sure they had a chance to voice their objections before the campus opened for expansion. And if the majority of the chapters are bursting at the seams, a new chapter on campus will help even out the rest to a manageable size. All of the sororities receive regular support from their nationals in the form of traveling consultants, advisers, trainings, etc. I am sure they are aware of chapters that are struggling and are giving them the best help and resources they can.

You're kidding, right?

DeltaBetaBaby · #28 02-13-2007, 11:23 PM

The way that quota/total is at Illinois right now, another chapter can actually help the smaller chapters. Quota is usually around 50, but total is only 145. If a group returns in the fall with 100 women and makes quota, they are still about 30 women smaller than the larger chapters. Knocking quota down by a few women can help out over time. It would help the larger chapters too, because many of them have gotten so big that there are more women who want to live in the house than the house can accomodate. Overall, it is probably the right thing for the campus.

Like I said, my biggest concern will be the COB moratorium. That means that if suzie PNM joins XYZ and her roommate meets the XYZ's and loves them, XYZ can not give suzie's roommate a bid because ABC is colonizing. Never mind the fact that there is zero chance suzie's roommate will go join ABC. This happened a few years ago when one of the struggling groups was reorganizing. They asked for a COB moratorium. Two other groups that usually COB opposed it, but were outvoted.

In my opinion, they should instead ask for something like a moratorium on advertising COB events, so existing chapters could continue to recruit women they already know, while the new chapter would have the benefit of being the only one advertising in the paper, chalking the quad, etc. to get the women who never rushed. Or, they could have a moratorium on COB for chapters that are already over total. I just have a huge problem with a chapter being told they can't COB.

DeltaBetaBaby · #29 02-13-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Damn. What were we thinking?? Competing at UofI is the Midwest's version of Bama or LSU.

Just for the record, it really isn't. More than half the women coming through rush don't know anything about greek life, very few chapters require recs, and chapters climb and fall within the social tiers every five years. The chapter houses are nice, but most women don't want to live in them, so the smaller the better. Believe me, it is not the South.

OrangeJuice · #30 02-14-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Just for the record, it really isn't. More than half the women coming through rush don't know anything about greek life, very few chapters require recs, and chapters climb and fall within the social tiers every five years. The chapter houses are nice, but most women don't want to live in them, so the smaller the better. Believe me, it is not the South.

Well, I don't know if I'd agree with that. The chapter houses here are very nice. Some are on the National Register of Historic Places. In my house, we don't have enough space to let all the girls live in. And we're not the only house with this program. And while there is probably some fluxuation in the social tiers, the top houses here are pretty much the same as they were when my mom attended Illinois. I'd agree that UIllinois is no SEC school. But it definately has a strong Greek life.