Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[shinerbock]

Summer, Hillary is going towards the middle because its the only way she can win the general, and currently she has a long way to go. If Obama stays in, she'll probably move back to the left somewhat in an attempt to win the primary, but after that its back to the middle. Hillary/Obama is a dumb ticket for Obama. Hillary will need a lot of help to win, and by help I mean the GOP candidate doing something pretty stupid. Why would Obama want to be a part of a losing ticket? When you become a VP candidate, you end up going to bat for the Presidential candidate (See: John Edwards). Obama has a similar reputation pre-election to what Edwards had, by being a unifying figure, an optimist, etc...Theres absolutely no reason to get into the mud for what will likely be a losing cause.

[Honeykiss1974]

I think Firecracker08 (not that I'm speaking for you ) likes Edwards/Obama because they both are appealing to wide variety of a voting audience. Let's face it...2008 will be more than just your average Dem vs Rep race. A successful candidate will HAVE to be able to appeal to the majority of their party and a good portion of their opposing party.

This is one main reason why I think Hillary can hang it up. She is NOT appealing to the Republican party - not even to moderate Republicans. So even if the Dems used the Iraq war/deaths to play on the heartstrings of America in a "republicans are evil vote for us" sort of way, it still won't be enough. You have got to have crossover appeal plain and simple.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974

I think Firecracker08 (not that I'm speaking for you ) likes Edwards/Obama because they both are appealing to wide variety of a voting audience. Let's face it...2008 will be more than just your average Dem vs Rep race. A successful candidate will HAVE to be able to appeal to the majority of their party and a good portion of their opposing party.

This is one main reason why I think Hillary can hang it up. She is NOT appealing to the Republican party - not even to moderate Republicans. So even if the Dems used the Iraq war/deaths to play on the heartstrings of America in a "republicans are evil vote for us" sort of way, it still won't be enough. You have got to have crossover appeal plain and simple.

I fully agree with this post- if the Democrats actually put up Hillary Clinton for election it would be ridiculous. She is a hugely divisive figure. Not that theyw ouldn't, seeing as how their strategy int he past few years has been sorely lacking, but damn that would be dumb.

As to Edwards being too green, that is probably true, and completely sad. If there is one issue that we should all be taking to heart, regardless of race or class it's what is being done to our planet and the need for conservation to step it up. It won't matter if abortion is ever banned or not if there is no sustainable environment for those children to grow up in.

[shinerbock]

Edwards was golden pre-Kerry. I think Bayh/Obama could be good, but theres absolutely zero chance the Dems let Evan win the primary.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Edwards was golden pre-Kerry. I think Bayh/Obama could be good, but theres absolutely zero chance the Dems let Evan win the primary.

Golden based on what? He was a one-term senator from North Carolina with a nice presentation. Don't recall a major legislative accomplishment, but clearly that's not been a pre-requisite for high national office for some time now.

Don't know much about Bayh....yet.

[shinerbock]

Tony, I'm not judging him on his merits, but his ability to be a successful politician. Before becoming the VP candidate, he was the optimistic, don't-talk-bad-about-anyone candidate. Experience can easily be overcome with such things, this is America.