FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Am I supposed to be impressed? I'm not.. because you have not refuted a single statement which I made, nor have you quoted any references to back up your point of view. I, on the other hand.. supplied you with the references. Why haven't you addressed my specific statements? You can't refute them, perhaps?

Originally Posted by blueangel

And why has she not responded to my points?

AKAMonet's pretty smart. Perhaps she has learned, like so many of the rest of us, that you posit unsupportable arguments, string together random citations from "experts" in an attempt to support those unsupportable arguments, often taking them out of context or reading more into them than is there, and then expect people to take you seriously and respond to you point by point, even though you're not going to listen if they do.

Perhaps she doesn't want to play games with you, constantly responding to your mantra of "why haven't you answered my question" with "because your question shows that you don't know what you're talking about."

Perhaps she, like so many of the rest of us, decided a long time ago that in these types of "discussions," you simply lack any credibility.

Originally Posted by blueangel

Why don't you constructively add to the debate . . . .

I think I just got my daily recommended allowance of irony.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

AKAMonet's pretty smart. Perhaps she has learned, like so many of the rest of us, that you posit unsupportable arguments, string together random citations from "experts" in an attempt to support those unsupportable arguments, often taking them out of context or reading more into them than is there, and then expect people to take you seriously and respond to you point by point, even though you're not going to listen if they do.

Perhaps she doesn't want to play games with you, constantly responding to your mantra of "why haven't you answered my question" with "because your question shows that you don't know what you're talking about."

Perhaps she, like so many of the rest of us, decided a long time ago that in these types of "discussions," you simply lack any credibility.

I think I just got my daily recommended allowance of irony.

Or perhaps she and you find that my "experts" and "sourcing" have left she and you unable to refute them? Instead, she and you dance around the point. Now, would you like to address any of the points I made? Or do you concede the debate as well?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Or perhaps she and you find that my "experts" and "sourcing" has left she and you unable to refute them? Instead, she and you dance around the point. Now, would you like to address any of the points I made? Or do you concede the debate as well?

No, I would not like to address any of the points you made, and no, I don't concede anything to you.

I've just had enough "discussions" with you and witnessed enough others to have accepted the presumption that you have no credibility. Attempting to discuss anything with you is a waste of time and energy.

Spin it however you want (because you always do), but it's really that simple.

[blueangel]

Just as I thought... you can't refute the facts I presented.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Just as I thought... you can't refute the facts I presented.

John Cena has something to say to you:

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Just as I thought... you can't refute the facts I presented.

Will not is not equivalent to cannot.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Spin it however you want (because you always do), but it's really that simple.

Originally Posted by blueangel

Just as I thought... you can't refute the facts I presented.

Just as I thought -- predicted even. You refuse to read and comprehend what others say to you, choosing instead to interpret your own inability to carry on a reasonable discourse as proof that no one can refute what you have to say.

[AKA_Monet]

My sources:

Maniatis et al. (1978) Molecular Cloning Manual volumes 1-3

Sambrook and Russell (2002) Molecular Cloning a Laboratory Manual 1-3

Ausbel et al. (2000) Current Protocols in Molecular Cloning volumes 1-5

Google it... I'm tired.

And YES... As a matter of fact I have cloned mice: Gao Y, Yan L-J, Sathyanarayanan S, Yuhanna I.S., Christians E, Moore G.L., Gottlieb R., Robbins J., Wawrousek E., Sohal, R.S., Shaul P.W., Bolli R., Benjamin I.J. Novel Roles for Cytosolic Chaperones in Mitochondrial NOS Expression and ROS Production. Poster presentation at 1st Annual Symposium American Heart Association Council on Basic Cardiovascular Sciences, July, 2004

Macrophage cell line: Moore and Davis (2002) Journal of Lipid Research

Currently, not many labs clones constructs to make either knockout or knockin mice. Most scientists farm these kinds of things out to companies...

Since you desire to belittle me and my professional experience, I can post my entire CV. But hey, think what you want, I really don't care, you don't pay my mortgage nor any of my bills... You know your are wrong in your assertions. Your logic is faulty and with personal vendetta with little scientific hypotheses or data supporting your efforts.

Your "experts" are bogus. They have lost their RO1 grants from the National Institutes of Health and they have not published in legitimate journals. Neither has their data be reproduced.

I have seen the data from the animal cloning from the FDA, USDA and NIH. A core of us (Scientists, Veterinarians, Physicians and Public Health professionals) reviewed and analyzed all the data. We have done ANOVA statistical analyses and correlated the data to Public Health record with the CDC database.

We have found zero correlation to causing dangerous pathogens in cloned meat products to the human population. Like the P value < 0.0001

So hey, you can balderdash me all you want. But I doubt you even know how to spell clone nor what it means in my book.