FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Am I supposed to be impressed? I'm not.. because you have not refuted a single statement which I made, nor have you quoted any references to back up your point of view. I, on the other hand.. supplied you with the references. Why haven't you addressed my specific statements? You can't refute them, perhaps?



Is this a science test? No, I think it is merely a diversion because you can't refute any of the statements which I backed up with references. Can you?



Translation: You won't because you can't.



What has that got to do with the price of beer?



Do I now need to give you an economics lesson? It's called "supply and demand"--
You can read all about it here:
http://www.qcbusinessjournal.com/art...re/1022491.txt

If you're referring to tax breaks to beef producers-- yes, that does partially influence the price of beef. For example, when Mad Cow was discovered in Washington in 2004, the house and senate offered temporary relief to the beef industry.... and in 2006, tax relief for livestock producers during the drought.



So where are all of your references?



No, we're not starving.. instead, we're being exposed to all kinds of hormones and antibiotics being injected into beef. There is also very little testing being done for mad cow.



Again, what has that got to do with the price of beer?



And your point? How does this relate to cloning, or are we just going on yet another pointless diversion because you have not been able to refute any of the points I made?



And that just answers my question. When someone feels the need to attack the poster rather than the subject.. that simply means that the person doing the attacking doesn't have a leg to stand on in a debate.

You've used a handful of sources to "prove" your point. Can't you, at least in a reasoned manner, discuss the topic with someone who has the credentials to discuss the topic? Also, if someone knows the field, do they need to quote another expert, or shouldn't they just be able to stand on their own experience? Or are you just going to listen to people who agree with you?

Additionally, the "Am I supposed to be impressed..." line sounds like an attack to me. How can you chastise others when you are doing the attacking?

She wasn't trying to give you a "science test," she was trying to explain the process of cloning to you.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

You've used a handful of sources to "prove" your point. Can't you, at least in a reasoned manner, discuss the topic with someone who has the credentials to discuss the topic? Also, if someone knows the field, do they need to quote another expert, or shouldn't they just be able to stand on their own experience? Or are you just going to listen to people who agree with you?.

She is not a cloning expert... so yes, she needs to source what she says.. however.. she has not addressed my points.... nor, for that matter, have you.

Additionally, the "Am I supposed to be impressed..." line sounds like an attack to me. How can you chastise others when you are doing the attacking?

Perhaps you don't know what a personal attack is? A personal attack is when someone directly attacks a person such as "you are a pompous idiot." It is, however, very clear that her post was written in such a way as to try to put on airs, hence the question.. "am I supposed to be impressed?" I am not, by the way.

But then, you knew that. You're just trying to divert the discussion. How about refuting some of my points about cloning, and source them, please.

And may I remind you of her viscious personal attack, and I quote, "But lack of B12 vitamin causes psychiatric neurological problems... Maybe that's what you are suffering from--delusions." That is a sign of someone losing a debate and of utter desperation.

She wasn't trying to give you a "science test," she was trying to explain the process of cloning to you.

With questions? May I remind you of her quote, "What is the actual physical protocol to isolating cells, growing them, enucleating embryos and combining the two items through electroporationTell me what serum you use? Tell me what antibotics, if any, you use? How does one grow bovine fibroblasts and obtain the nuclei?."

How does that "explain the cloning process?"

Now, shall we get back on topic? I would be very anxious to hear your side of the cloning debate.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

She is not a cloning expert... so yes, she needs to source what she says..

She has cloned cells before...what else does she need to do to be an "expert"?? How many cells have you cloned?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

She has cloned cells before...what else does she need to do to be an "expert"?? How many cells have you cloned?

That has to be in the top 3 call outs EVER on GC.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

She has cloned cells before...what else does she need to do to be an "expert"?? How many cells have you cloned?

How many animals has she cloned? Try again! And why has she not responded to my points?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

And why has she not responded to my points?

Because your posts evoke this response:



And I still fail to see how your posting of random websites makes you more of an expert on cloning then those who have actually performed the act of cloning...even if it wasn't the whole damn animal.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Because your posts evoke this response:



And I still fail to see how your posting of random websites makes you more of an expert on cloning then those who have actually performed the act of cloning...even if it wasn't the whole damn animal.

My sources are "experts." Where are AKA Monet's sources? And where has she refuted any of the facts I presented?

Why don't you constructively add to the debate instead of posting silly cartoons? Or are you not able to refute the facts I've presented?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Am I supposed to be impressed? I'm not.. because you have not refuted a single statement which I made, nor have you quoted any references to back up your point of view. I, on the other hand.. supplied you with the references. Why haven't you addressed my specific statements? You can't refute them, perhaps?

Originally Posted by blueangel

And why has she not responded to my points?

AKAMonet's pretty smart. Perhaps she has learned, like so many of the rest of us, that you posit unsupportable arguments, string together random citations from "experts" in an attempt to support those unsupportable arguments, often taking them out of context or reading more into them than is there, and then expect people to take you seriously and respond to you point by point, even though you're not going to listen if they do.

Perhaps she doesn't want to play games with you, constantly responding to your mantra of "why haven't you answered my question" with "because your question shows that you don't know what you're talking about."

Perhaps she, like so many of the rest of us, decided a long time ago that in these types of "discussions," you simply lack any credibility.

Originally Posted by blueangel

Why don't you constructively add to the debate . . . .

I think I just got my daily recommended allowance of irony.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by blueangel

How many animals has she cloned? Try again! And why has she not responded to my points?

Basically because it's the equivalent of a white belt calling you out on black belt techniques while disregarding your years of experience. I mean would you honestly take the time with a gleaming (like fresh out of the package) white belt to dissect every single point that he makes?
And I'm not saying like stupid white belt questions, I mean the really obnoxious new student who just says that you're wrong no matter what you say, even when you're obviously not. The ones you wish had never shown up for class.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Basically because it's the equivalent of a white belt calling you out on black belt techniques while disregarding your years of experience. I mean would you honestly take the time with a gleaming (like fresh out of the package) white belt to dissect every single point that he makes?
And I'm not saying like stupid white belt questions, I mean the really obnoxious new student who just says that you're wrong no matter what you say, even when you're obviously not. The ones you wish had never shown up for class.

Where have my facts been in error? The difference is that these aren't "my" facts-- these are sourced facts. If you and she cannot refute them, then perhaps you're calling the wrong person a white belt.

[Drolefille]

Won't /= Can't

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Where have my facts been in error? The difference is that these aren't "my" facts-- these are sourced facts. If you and she cannot refute them, then perhaps you're calling the wrong person a white belt.

ARGH...I didn't call you a white belt. This is why no one can hold discourse with you. You spin everything.