Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions - Page 2

SummerChild · #1 01-08-2007, 12:22 AM

AlphaFrog,

Who are you or anyone else to say what makes more sense to someone else or whether someone's thoughts are basically valid?
Different people care about different things. That's what makes the world go around. It may be a functional object to you but it may have deeper symbolic meaning to someone else.

ETA: On my own personal opinion, I think that he *should* use the book that has significance for him. It seems to me that the point of swearing to something and placing one's hand on a book is to really mean it based on the content of the book. If the Bible will not be as meaningful for him as the Qu'ran, he should use the Qu'ran. I don't see the big deal at all.

What if an athiest swore on the Bible? I'm sure that it has happened but in hindsight, it seems quite silly.

SC

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This makes more sense then saying that he shouldn't use TJ's book because TJ was a slaveowner and Ellison is black. That's like saying a Jew shouldn't spend money that Hilter touched...it's just a functional object, regardless of previous ownership. But I can understand the concern in the quoted post.

mulattogyrl · #2 01-05-2007, 11:54 AM

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When he wanted to take the oath on the qu'ran instead of the bible, folks were all up in arms. Now that the specific qu'ran was owned by someone that 'they' can't argue with, it is somehow okay.

Gotcha.

AKA2D '91 · #3 01-16-2007, 07:53 PM

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/topsto...ist=topstories

Obama is IN!

SummerChild · #4 01-17-2007, 01:40 AM

My old constitutional law prof is going to be President!!!

Anywho, why did this Irish newspaper have a headline on MSN.com today talking about Obama is attempting to be the first Black President??

Talk about out of touch with reality. Haven't they ever heard of Shirley Chisolm and Jesse Jackson, Sr. (who apparently ran twice). Shoot you could even count Al Sharpton. But I thought that *everyone* knew that Jessee had run b/c he's all over in the Middle East doing peace talks, etc. Surely they have heard about him in Ireland???

How could the paper have been so ignorant as to publish that and not catch that huge mistake?

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Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/topsto...ist=topstories

Obama is IN!

shinerbock · #5 01-17-2007, 09:50 AM

Obama is attempting to become the first black president. He's not the first person to attempt, however. Fortunately, like Jackson and Sharpton, he won't win.

Honeykiss1974 · #6 01-17-2007, 11:44 AM

Why "fortunately"?

Not trying to bait you or anything, but I'm curious to know why it would be a good thing if Obama didn't win?

Although, based on those who have OFFICIALLY announced their intention to run in '08, I don't have a favorite either way.

TonyB06 · #7 01-17-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SummerChild

My old constitutional law prof is going to be President!!!

Look at SummerChild, angling for the Atty. Gen. gig ...

Seriously, this will be interesting to watch unfold. We all see what we think we know and like about Obama. As he takes definitive political positions and defines his ideas -- which he better do first, before his political opponents do it for him -- we'll be better able to access his candidacy and make our assessments about his ability to perform on the domestic and international stages.

Personally, I'd like to have seen more of a legislative track record in the Senate, but that's not to say he wouldn't do a great job as president. Clearly, many have come the presidency with a lot less....Obama is intelligent, pragmatic and moderate in his thinking, so that will go in his favor with a lot of people.

AlphaFrog · #8 01-17-2007, 12:00 PM

I think shiner's a big ol' GOP. That's why he doesn't want Obama to win.

Chris Morier · #9 01-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I think shiner's a big ol' GOP. That's why he doesn't want Obama to win.

Yeah, he must be.

MysticCat · #10 01-17-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I think shiner's a big ol' GOP. That's why he doesn't want Obama to win.

I don't think he's made any secret about that.

SummerChild · #11 01-17-2007, 02:12 PM

Tony, you're crazy!

The only bad thing about him winning is that he will get all old and gray and ugly before his term is over like the prior Presidents. LOL. It would be a shame to mess him up so young. LOL.

SC

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Originally Posted by TonyB06

Look at SummerChild, angling for the Atty. Gen. gig ...

Seriously, this will be interesting to watch unfold. We all see what we think we know and like about Obama. As he takes definitive political positions and defines his ideas -- which he better do first, before his political opponents do it for him -- we'll be better able to access his candidacy and make our assessments about his ability to perform on the domestic and international stages.

Personally, I'd like to have seen more of a legislative track record in the Senate, but that's not to say he wouldn't do a great job as president. Clearly, many have come the presidency with a lot less....Obama is intelligent, pragmatic and moderate in his thinking, so that will go in his favor with a lot of people.

TonyB06 · #12 01-17-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SummerChild

Tony, you're crazy!

The only bad thing about him winning is that he will get all old and gray and ugly before his term is over like the prior Presidents. LOL. It would be a shame to mess him up so young. LOL.

SC

LOL. your post made me think about Cedric-the-entertainer's "black president" stand-up bit.

"wha, whaa did you say? how you gon ask me some bullisht all like that, in front of my family and isht? Hey homeboy, president or not, how 'bout I come out there and whup your inquisitive azz, how 'bout that? Put that on CNN."

lovelyivy84 · #13 01-17-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB06

Look at SummerChild, angling for the Atty. Gen. gig ...

Seriously, this will be interesting to watch unfold. We all see what we think we know and like about Obama. As he takes definitive political positions and defines his ideas -- which he better do first, before his political opponents do it for him -- we'll be better able to access his candidacy and make our assessments about his ability to perform on the domestic and international stages.

Personally, I'd like to have seen more of a legislative track record in the Senate, but that's not to say he wouldn't do a great job as president. Clearly, many have come the presidency with a lot less....Obama is intelligent, pragmatic and moderate in his thinking, so that will go in his favor with a lot of people.

Well said.

While it's nice that he's running, I think it's a ploy to get him into a vp-slot for the 08 race. I don't think there is any way on earth the man could win- not in this country. And he is fully aware of this.

It seems like McCain in 00 in some ways- he's trying to take advantage of his huge upsurge in popularity and ride it to a position of greater visibility and prominence. Maybe it will pay off for him the way it has for McCain (in all probability our next president IMO, although I have lost a lot of respect for him).

TonyB06 · #14 01-17-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lovelyivy84

Well said.

While it's nice that he's running, I think it's a ploy to get him into a vp-slot for the 08 race. I don't think there is any way on earth the man could win- not in this country. And he is fully aware of this.

It seems like McCain in 00 in some ways- he's trying to take advantage of his huge upsurge in popularity and ride it to a position of greater visibility and prominence. Maybe it will pay off for him the way it has for McCain (in all probability our next president IMO, although I have lost a lot of respect for him).

I, too, think McCain will be the GOP nominee in '08. Don't go so far as to say he'll win. There's a long way to go on the campaign trail. You mention loss of respect for McCain...regarding what? He generally gets favorable national media, so it made me wonder what he did to run afoul of you?

hazelle · #15 01-17-2007, 02:59 PM

Hey!! the best thing I want to say about Senator Obama is he can state without hesistation....he was totally against the Iraq "police action," "temporary war: from banner to banner??" whatever you entitle it...and never has to retrieve an earlier position. How many of our politicians can truly say that now??

His future will be in the stars....one way or the other...but he can stand proud. 3000 + cannot reply...they have given their best for our country. Just read on line that Bush's approval rating now equals Nixon's prior to a week before his resignation.