Fraternity members indicted in student death

[L.O.C.K.]

Jaynu, the reasons LPhiE was not recognized at Texas is most likely because of their repeated violations of school policy. I know for a fact of LPhiE not being recognized at at least 15 university across the country, almost 33% of their chapters! That is insane. Moreover, LPhiE is a member of the NIC, and thus should have some sense of the responsibility involved when you are part of a National organization.

The bottom line is LPhiE Zeta Chapter dropped the ball big time. They continue to party after they KILLED someone. How is that responsible? Moreover, why isn't the National Office (or the front they say is their National Office) officially derecognizing them and declaring them no longer brothers?

LPhiE is a mess right now. 4 Deaths in 3 years is not good, especially when you only have 46-47 chapters.

Moreover, to back up EE-Bo, universities have created Multicultural Greek Councils and the like because they don't know what to do with Latino and Asian Greeks. To think that LPhiE was blacklisted when the TAPC was only made up of sororities is absurd.

Bottom line: LPhiE needs to get its act together quick. It faces ENORMOUS dues now do the the lawsuits and their attempt to try and get National Insurance (which last time I heard they don't have). Moreover, Greek Advisors are NOT stupid. They communicate between schools. I garauntee you every school with LPhiE is keeping a VERY careful eye on them.

[jaynu]

EE-Bo, I'm not defending Lambda Phi Epsilon's act in anyway. What I am trying to say is that you're lumping in a wide range of organizations that are mostly (even YOUNGER than LPHIE), if not all, less than a decade old.

Incidents have happened with recognized organizations. If you're from the UT Austin, I'm sure you know of the guy buried alive in a casket (no need to list names).

Anyhow, it's a bit easy for you to attack the smaller organizations because we aren't recognized or 'organized with guidance.' I can assure you my organization is getting there as well as the other AGLOs on campus. The Texas Asian Pan-Hellenic Council was always designed for women as far as I understood, and close contacts with them tells me they'll be opening to Asian fraternities so I am doing my homework. My main point is incidents don't make you look bad only or the organizations that stand 100+ years strong; they affect other AGLOs also, ones that do plan to join councils in their near future.

How about the other councils? Believe me! We've looked into that also, but such councils do not serve a purpose to help us. For example, several councils would not allow its members to flyer in Jester and West Mall, one of the main ways we recruit our members. This policy would do a lot more well with established organizations that are already known through a much longer period of time. So yes, we have been looking... just for the right one that suits who we are as a newer organization. We've also looked into making our own council and have the other respectable AGLOs join (not racially bound, just because most likely, they're not in one yet either). We also participate with GLE on campus to learn about all of the issues such as hazing and risk-mgmt. so it's not like we're just random guys who wear Greek letters to bring the system's image down. Just want to make that clear.

[EE-BO]

As L.O.C.K. has stated, this chapter is STILL active with the national organization. I checked the website myself and there is no word of any action having been taken.

What I did not know, and thank you L.O.C.K. for providing this information, is that a third of LPE chapters are not recognized by their respective colleges and that there have been 3 deaths in two years- none of them appearing to be accidents from the news reports I read.

You are right that established GLOs do stupid things too, and get themselves in the paper and make us all look bad. I never denied that.

What I am saying is that it is my personal observation that underground GLOs tend to have a disproportionate number of very serious incidents for a variety of reasons. And I was upset that behavior of these underground groups brings disrepute on us all.

There are plenty of new GLOs out there which are a viable part of an ever-diversifying Greek Community that will strengthen our presence on campuses and ensure our survival.

But from the evidence shown here, LPE is not such an organization- and not just at Texas but on a national level as well.

To be fair, it appears the national leadership bears a lot of the blame. I am not prepared to condemn every chapter and undergraduate member over incidents at a few chapters- so please don't think I am disparaging the whole operation.

A national leadership that does not take action against chapters where hazing deaths occur and, if what L.O.C.K. suggested might be true is in fact the case, if national leadership has not been able to secure basic insurance- then all undergraduate chapters have the potential to get out of control, as Texas did, and then have individual members and their parents face huge financial responsibilities whenever anything goes wrong.

It is important to note that much of the continued news coverage of this story centers around the fact the chapter has continued to operate the same as before with no adult intervention. That is what makes this particular story all the more damaging when it comes to the image of the Greek community and our ability to recruit new members.

[Tom Earp]

I do not think that there or were that many disparaging remarks against smaller GLOs.

The fact is some of the truely old line GLOs of the NIC have small chapter numbers. That then would be no point of discussion.

While I cannot say that all GLOs have had some form of R M problems, very many have in one form or another. What has also been stated by many, when a group using greek letters, anything that happens reflects on all greek orgaizations no matter what.

When one thinks about it, people only see greek letters when they see or read something in the news media.

[keeshdawg]

I do remember the media backlash created when Jack's death occurred. As a member of UT's brother fraternity to LphiE, I can tell you that those guys are real brothers in and out of thier fraternity. We will continue to support LFE, because they always have our back. We do understand that LFE is in a lot of mess not with just the accident last year but some events that occurred earlier in the fall semester. Im sure LFE will pull through and learn from thier mistakes.

[AlexMack]

So...the article states that LFE is not recognized by UT, but it's suspended until 2011. However according to this thread the chapter is still active. I'm confused...who's doing the suspension, or what the hell is going on?

[Tom Earp]

Interesting question isn't it?

[keeshdawg]

Originally Posted by centaur532

So...the article states that LFE is not recognized by UT, but it's suspended until 2011. However according to this thread the chapter is still active. I'm confused...who's doing the suspension, or what the hell is going on?

well from what I understand, the chapter is obviously suspended by UT till 2011...meaning they cant rush on campus, use the facilities...under the name LFE...but they are still a fraternity that has an active house...as far as nationals and everything goes, i have no clue