SMU student found dead at SAE House

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Reality Check1

It seems to me the Macallan25 believes he knows a great deal about many things, but it is more likely that he knows nothing about everything.

The members of the SAE Fraternity at SMU should feel awful, because their culture contributed to this young man's death. Did they force him to do drugs? No, but don't tell me that they didn't make access to these things easier for the young man?

Macallan-it must be so easy for you to sit there and pop off time after time about everything. Take a look at yourself in the mirror. This whole incident goes in stark contrast to the brotherhood that a fraternity is supposed to represent.

Drink bleach.

Fraternity culture? That makes about as much sense as you claiming heterosexuality. Say a guy from Compton or other drug-ridden place somehow by god's saving grace makes it into a fraternity in the South. He was already doing plenty of drugs before hand, and then he gets into the fraternity, does more drugs, and dies. Considering the fraternity may be moderate for their campus in terms of drug use, is it fraternity culture or previous experience which led to the man's death? The drug incident has nothing to do with "brotherhood". My own personal drug use never stemmed from the fraternity, it stemmed from me growing up in a wealthy neighborhood where my friends and I had money to spend on expensive drugs.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Drink bleach.

Fraternity culture? That makes about as much sense as you claiming heterosexuality. Say a guy from Compton or other drug-ridden place somehow by god's saving grace makes it into a fraternity in the South. He was already doing plenty of drugs before hand, and then he gets into the fraternity, does more drugs, and dies. Considering the fraternity may be moderate for their campus in terms of drug use, is it fraternity culture or previous experience which led to the man's death? The drug incident has nothing to do with "brotherhood". My own personal drug use never stemmed from the fraternity, it stemmed from me growing up in a wealthy neighborhood where my friends and I had money to spend on expensive drugs.

I agree with you Elephant Walk. Fraternity culture?? Try culture. Try society. Try living and life experience/up-bringing.
Was there alcohol and drug use in my chapter? Yes. Did I drink? Yes and learned from that experience. Did I do drugs? I "tasted" one night and learned from that experience that I had no use for them. Also the fact that all of the people I was close to, both a school and at home, did not do any kind of drug outside of alcohol also helped.

Others, I know took a different path for what ever reason or reasons. And that could happen within any living, social group or context.

[jon1856]

A few more links:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...-sportstop-hed

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/n...LES_S1.article
Which includes this statement:

Jim Caswell, SMU's vice president for student affairs, said Wednesday "the prayers and concerns" of school officials, staff members and students "go toward the Stiles family at this difficult time."
"It's a tragic situation that we're dealing with," Caswell said. "This student was a very popular fellow."
Campus police have been investigating Stiles' death, along with the university's fraternity system, Caswell said. Caswell stressed the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house "was not known as a drug house in any way." The school's fraternities are "certainly not known for problems of this type," he said.