Suspension Appealed (Hazing), Newspapers Stolen (Chapel Hill - Sigma Chi)

[Sailboat Sis]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

The case I was bringing up involved the Arkansas State chapter of Sigma Chi. My question still stands: Did the paper try to ask the chapter president or a chapter advisor for their perspective.

Understand, I think it was a stupid thing to do. I thought it was stupid when my home chapter pulled this stunt and now. No, the plan was not thought out at all.

I believe, that the chapter president was not contacted for perspective after the Greek Judicial Board's report became public. Like I said before, the newspaper was already running article, but it did not have the GJB's findings until about 10 pm the night before. What the initial article was about, I'm not sure.

Here's the link to the first article concerning their suspension: http://media.www.dailytarheel.com/me...epublisher.com

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Did the paper try to ask the chapter president or a chapter advisor for their perspective.

If they were smart journalists, they did. If they asked the President, and he is smart, he referred them to the Chapter Advisor or his National organization.

For the most part, undergraduates don't have the experience to respond to the media. That's why even large corporations have spokespersons who have trained in how to respond to questions from reporters.

If the chapter, or members, really stole all of the papers, they're going to look bad no matter what they do.

[TSteven]

"Doug Dyer, president of UNC's branch of Sigma Chi, said the incidents have not deterred pledging."

"...branch of Sigma Chi"

It seems like the article's author can't even get something simple like chapter correct.

[Sailboat Sis]

Originally Posted by TSteven

"Doug Dyer, president of UNC's branch of Sigma Chi, said the incidents have not deterred pledging."

"...branch of Sigma Chi"

It seems like the article's author can't even get something simple like chapter correct.

In addition to that, if I hear or read "frat" one more time, I will vomit.

[tallgreekalum]

So, SIS, I'm a little confused. They've been found guilty, but the appeal is the end of this week?? And they're on probation or suspended, but it would take action by the honor court to revoke their charter?

Also, if I were the president, I'd be keeping a little lower profile right about now, not boasting about going through with initiation.

[Sailboat Sis]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

So, SIS, I'm a little confused. They've been found guilty, but the appeal is the end of this week?? And they're on probation or suspended, but it would take action by the honor court to revoke their charter?

Also, if I were the president, I'd be keeping a little lower profile right about now, not boasting about going through with initiation.

Yes, after the hearing, the chapter was found guilty on a total of seven charges; however, they pleaded guilty on six of those charges. I believe that they pleaded guilty so that the penalties were lessened. This did not happen and the Greek Judicial Board gave them the harshest penalties ever handed down. This, coupled with what the fraternity believes was an improper investigation and penalties not permitted by the Board's by-laws are what led to the appeal.

Only UNC's Honor Court has the ability to take away a charter, as does Nationals. Currently our campus' judicial system separates the Greek Judicial Board & Honor Court, with each entity has its own by-laws. The big problem is that Honor Court can overrule GJB which can lead to double jeopardy.

[LaneSig]

Sailboat Sis -

Who makes up the Greek Judicial Court at UNC? Just curious. When I was in school at ASU we had a problem with the IFC judicial court. Unfortunately, not all chapters were represented on the board - so if the head of the judicial court's fraternity had allegations presented, they were always found 'not guilty' or a very, very light punishment handed down. If it was a chapter not represented, it was a very harsh penalty.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Sailboat Sis

Only UNC's Honor Court has the ability to take away a charter, as does Nationals.

I don't think that UNC's Honor Court (or any such governing body) can "take away" a charter - only the chapter's IHQ. However, the Honor Court may be able to recommend that the chapter not be recognized by the university. And as a result, a chapter's IHQ might then suspend the charter.

[tallgreekalum]

Some schools "recognize", some schools actually issue charters.

[Sailboat Sis]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Sailboat Sis -

Who makes up the Greek Judicial Court at UNC? Just curious. When I was in school at ASU we had a problem with the IFC judicial court. Unfortunately, not all chapters were represented on the board - so if the head of the judicial court's fraternity had allegations presented, they were always found 'not guilty' or a very, very light punishment handed down. If it was a chapter not represented, it was a very harsh penalty.

Our Greek Judicial Board is composed of sorority women & fraternity men. I do not believe there is a quota how for many members from a particular chapter can be members. From what I have seen, I think that sorority women tend to issue harsher penalties in fraternity hazing cases, than when the majority of the court is fraternity men.

Originally Posted by TSteven

I don't think that UNC's Honor Court (or any such governing body) can "take away" a charter - only the chapter's IHQ. However, the Honor Court may be able to recommend that the chapter not be recognized by the university. And as a result, a chapter's IHQ might then suspend the charter.

You're right my phrasing was off. Our Honor Court only has the ability to strip away University recognition. Most likely, however, this would result in losing a charter as decreed by IHQ.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

Some schools "recognize", some schools actually issue charters.

I may have misinterpreted your statement, but some colleges actually issue (grant) the charter for a fraternity or sorority? How is that possible?

Frankly, I can't fathom any inter/national organization (headquarters) allowing any school to issue a charter on behalf of *their* organization.

[tallgreekalum]

A charter is a document authorizing a group to operate, to use the chartering groups name, etc. Northeastern University, for instance, issues a charter allowing ADPhi to use the university's name and facilities, etc.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

A charter is a document authorizing a group to operate, to use the chartering groups name, etc. Northeastern University, for instance, issues a charter allowing ADPhi to use the university's name and facilities, etc.

That is what I mean by recognition by the university.

In your scenario, a chapter, colony or interest group of Alpha Delta Phi already existed. They existed because Alpha Delta Phi HQ granted the group a Charter (document) establishing it as an Alpha Delta Phi chapter, colony or interest group - not Northeastern University. Once this group was associated with Alpha Delta Phi (as either a chapter, colony or interest group) it requested the necessary documents (perhaps called a charter by the administration) from the university which would allowed this group (chapter, colony or interest group of Alpha Delta Phi) to use the university's name, facilities, etc.

[tallgreekalum]

I agree with you and most greeks customarily use the term "charter" to denote GLO recognition and "recognition" to denote School recognition, but not all.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I agree with you and most greeks customarily use the term "charter" to denote GLO recognition and "recognition" to denote School recognition, but not all.

Is there a GLO that does not use "charter" to denote GLO recognition (or more accurately, a GLO's organization of and grant of power to a chapter)? Just curious.