2006 College Football

shinerbock · #1 12-04-2006, 04:59 PM

Yeah, a playoff is precisely what I'm saying we need. Its just that sometimes I think the BCS fails more than the polls and bowls system we used to have. Yeah, it worked last year, but this year I think we'd be better off just letting OSU play whoever, not for the title game, but just to stay atop the polls. Everyone else can battle it out for 2nd. I just don't UF will be THE legitimate champ if they beat OSU. A top team with several quality wins, sure. However, if that happens and Michigan goes out and dominates USC, we're back where we started.

macallan25 · #2 12-04-2006, 05:43 PM

true story.

starang21 · #3 12-04-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yeah, a playoff is precisely what I'm saying we need. Its just that sometimes I think the BCS fails more than the polls and bowls system we used to have. Yeah, it worked last year, but this year I think we'd be better off just letting OSU play whoever, not for the title game, but just to stay atop the polls. Everyone else can battle it out for 2nd. I just don't UF will be THE legitimate champ if they beat OSU. A top team with several quality wins, sure. However, if that happens and Michigan goes out and dominates USC, we're back where we started.

are you suggesting we get rid of all or most of the bowl games then?

macallan25 · #4 12-04-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21

are you suggesting we get rid of all or most of the bowl games then?

Why couldn't you make the bowl games the playoff games?

example:

Playoff Round 1:
Game 1: Cotton Bowl
Game 2: Holiday Bowl
Game 3: Gator Bowl

......as the playoffs get furhter along...you play in more prestigious bowl. Semifinals, Quarterfinals etc. could be played in the current BCS Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, etc. )

starang21 · #5 12-04-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Why couldn't you make the bowl games the playoff games?

example:

Playoff Round 1:
Game 1: Cotton Bowl
Game 2: Holiday Bowl
Game 3: Gater Bowl

......as the playoffs get furhter along...you play in more prestigious bowl. Semifinals, Quarterfinals etc. could be played in the current BCS Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, etc. )

i thought about that too, but it's a logistical nightmare.

then the people who really lose out in this are the fans. go to the gator bowl and then have to turn around and go to the rose bowl that next week?

macallan25 · #6 12-04-2006, 06:32 PM

Thats true.....I think most people would just have to decide where they wanted to go for a game. I can't see just a ton of people being able to afford going to the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, National Championship game, etc. Some could absolutely do it......but others, not so much. I mean, I went to our game last year with a bunch of fraternity borthers.....and it was by no means cheap.

shinerbock · #7 12-04-2006, 07:00 PM

Starang, I have no idea how you'd do it. Some sort of playoff is the solution. The only thing I'm saying is that the old system is sometimes better at recognizing teams than is the current system. Where we go from here, I don't know.

I think when we get to a playoff, we scrap the current BCS bowl system. Keep the Orange, the Sugar, and the Rose. Say there is an 8 team playoff. I think you you could do a few things. You could reward the higher teams with homefield advantage in the first round. You could use a regional system, playing a neutral site (but destroying the 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7 matchups). Its tough, people need to understand that if we're really gonna make this fair, some tradition is gonna have to be altered, and you might have a tough time seeing every game your team is playing in in person. However, if you the first 4 games at non-bowl sites, then you could have a rotating schedule of the final three games between the rose, sugar, and the orange.

I still think an 8 team playoff with 6 automatic bids for conference champions is the way to go. In actuality, I'd prefer it just be automatic bids, but I don't know how you could do that. That way, the solution is easy. Win your conference. Thats one of the reasons I don't care that Michigan got left out. They had a chance 3 weeks ago to get into the national championship game. They lost.

PM_Mama00 · #8 12-04-2006, 11:02 PM

I'm in favor of giving OSU the National title and having Michigan and UF duke it out for 2nd. Even if UF beats OSU, OSU will still be the better team anyways. If there were a rematch, and Michigan won, OSU would still be the better team.

shinerbock · #9 12-04-2006, 05:53 PM

No, not at all. I'm saying that under the old system, where the pairings weren't necc 1 vs. 2, the situation would be different. OSU would probably play USC in the Rose, and thus its a championship game for OSU, but not for USC. USC winning doesn't mean their the national champs, just like I don't think UF or Michigan winning would really crown them the champs. I mean, say UF wins, some people might think its legitimate (no slight to UF, its just a bad system), but I wouldn't assume they're the best team in college football. At least under the pre-BCS polls and bowls system, we could get a split title. Note, I'm not in favor of splits, but I'd prefer a split title over shutting out a completely deserving team, and sending them home with nothing. I think if UF beats OSU (but not overly impressively) and Michigan takes it to USC, the AP should put Michigan at #1. Of course, this is all a result of my bias over AU getting hosed in 2004. I would never assume we were better or more deserving than USC, but to send a 13-0 SEC team home with nothing was ridiculous, and I don't want to see it happen to any other major conference team.

starang21 · #10 12-04-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

No, not at all. I'm saying that under the old system, where the pairings weren't necc 1 vs. 2, the situation would be different. OSU would probably play USC in the Rose, and thus its a championship game for OSU, but not for USC. USC winning doesn't mean their the national champs, just like I don't think UF or Michigan winning would really crown them the champs. I mean, say UF wins, some people might think its legitimate (no slight to UF, its just a bad system), but I wouldn't assume they're the best team in college football. At least under the pre-BCS polls and bowls system, we could get a split title. Note, I'm not in favor of splits, but I'd prefer a split title over shutting out a completely deserving team, and sending them home with nothing. I think if UF beats OSU (but not overly impressively) and Michigan takes it to USC, the AP should put Michigan at #1. Of course, this is all a result of my bias over AU getting hosed in 2004. I would never assume we were better or more deserving than USC, but to send a 13-0 SEC team home with nothing was ridiculous, and I don't want to see it happen to any other major conference team.

but then how would you do it? let's say you have the sugar bowl and the citrus bowl as semi-finals. then the rose bowl as the final. everything on a neutral field. while the bowls themselves will pay for travel expenses for the teams....what about the fans? say you're from florida and you want to watch your team in AZ to win the semifinal. are you gonna leave that next week to travel to california to watch them again?