Auburn Spring Rush 07

robertearlkeen · #1 12-01-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BrendanMcGrail

The only point you've made that I agree with is that I also do not believe in an 8 week pledge program - ours lasts the entire semester, and I absolutely feel it should. It's impossible to adequately communicate the nature of the organization in a shorter period. However, both before and after that, you failed to produce a single statement I agreed with beyond the tangential "real world companies dont tend to hire people who show up in emo gear or american eagle tshirts", which I will address after tackling the larger issue(s) at hand.

First, the issue of hazing. It's not who we are, or want to be. It goes against our fundamental principles to haze - if you're a Beta, I'll be more than happy to delve deeper into this with you, but if you're not, then trust me - it does. This also covers rules like carrying cigarettes for brothers. Aside from the obvious issue that none of us smoke, I absolutely fail to see the benefit that can come from having someone carry object x around with him. And again, we don't have a dress code for ourselves, so why would we have one for pledges? Clearly, there is one for chapter meetings and other events, but for day to day purposes, we're much too practical for that. Perhaps it's because we are (with only 1 exception), all science and engineering majors and value practicality, our founding principles, and logic over concerns of whether we are being sufficiently ostentatious; our reputation on campus and in the community speaks to the character of both our brothers and pledges in a light that is more than positive.

And now the collared shirt issue. I'm slightly bothered by the fact that you think I lack the class to dress appropriately for work-related activities. Clearly, if the situation warranted it, I would. Fortunately, it seldom will in my life, since I plan on spending most of my professional career in academia, where again, practicality trumps social convention.

Maybe I just lack an understanding and appreciation of why the idea of a "southern gentleman" is still around in 2006. Shouldn't you be more concerned with being a good global citizen? The world extends beyond the Mason-Dixon Line - in fact, it gets a lot better(well, politically, anyway).

I do realize that the world extends past the Mason-Dixon, yet I have no desire to go north of it, except to hunt, and certainly will never live above it. Also the way you dress was a joke, obviously you feel like you wont have to dress the way I do to get your job. However, Shinerbock is right in that, the South we tend to dress nicely at all times. And as for "why a "southern gentleman" is still around in 2006?" Maybe it is because in the South we appreciate the fact that men still hold doors for women, we dress nicely, and adress our elders with respect. I visited some relatives that unfortunately moved to Michigan a few years back and I was amazed at how rude and inconsiderate the people were. That isnt an attack on their personal character, but it was strange to me to hear cars honking at everyone and men not holding doors for women, and much less the profanity used in public, especially with women present. I also have no desire to be a good "global citizen" because I put my interest in my country before the rest of the world. I know that business is now completely global, and interaction with other countries is far from avoidable, but I do not really care about the rest of the world as much as my own country.

I am not a beta, but I do know that the betas here do make their pledges wear khakis and collared shirts with pledge pins and im sure that they have to carry items on them such as smokes.

shinerbock · #2 12-01-2006, 10:53 PM

haha, I can't believe you referred to the practicality of academia.

BrendanMcGrail · #3 12-02-2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

I am not a beta, but I do know that the betas here do make their pledges wear khakis and collared shirts with pledge pins and im sure that they have to carry items on them such as smokes.

I believe it - I just think it goes against our principles. Clearly, my remarks regarding the south were a joke - my only real gripe is that all the southerners I've met seem to lack what one of my brothers refers to as "Northern Hustle".

SigmaPsi_Star · #4 12-02-2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

And as for "why a "southern gentleman" is still around in 2006?" Maybe it is because in the South we appreciate the fact that menstill hold doors for women, we dress nicely, and adress our elders with respect.

being from the north myself...I have to say that on my campus, at the very least, the vast majority of men, especially fraternity men, will hold doors open for women, and do adress their elders with respect. And as far as dressing nicely, you have to understand that on my campus, most people are far too concerned about the vast amounts of engineering/science based work they need to do on any given day to put that much effort into getting dressed on a daily basis. They're not dirty, they don't look messy, and in general, they don't look like they belong in high school. They just look like they're going to class. It isn't really all that important to dress nicely to go to class...you're there to learn, not to be pretty.

shinerbock · #5 12-02-2006, 03:29 AM

Who goes to college to learn? Thats what grad school is for.

robertearlkeen · #6 12-02-2006, 05:04 PM

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Who goes to college to learn? Thats what grad school is for.

People who dont have a job lined up go to college to learn, it is an unfortunate scenario mostly found in greek communities above the Mason Dixon.

BrendanMcGrail · #7 12-03-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

People who dont have a job lined up go to college to learn, it is an unfortunate scenario mostly found in greek communities above the Mason Dixon.

Or people who just like learning.

robertearlkeen · #8 12-03-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BrendanMcGrail

Or people who just like learning.

These people do not exist

Coramoor · #9 12-04-2006, 08:06 AM

I was just down at Auburn for a few weekends.

Now if I went by only what I read by other memebers here posting about Auburn or the South I would be extremely impressed and think it is the coolest place in the world. However, I've been there and experienced the scene. I've also been to about 30 other campuses all over the country.

While Auburn was pretty good...it really isn't anything to write home about. I'd put it in my top five, but Ohio University (Athens Ohio), Miami (Oxford Ohio), WVU (Morgantown WV), and Texas A&M all have better bars, parties, and women.

The one cool thing about Auburn was the Supper Club. The girls are no harder to get or talk to there. College girls are the same everywhere...they want to hook up just like guys do, it just takes a little more alcohol to make them admit it sometimes.

macallan25 · #10 12-04-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BrendanMcGrail

Or people who just like learning.

.....and who are these people?

shinerbock · #11 12-04-2006, 02:32 PM

Auburn isn't gonna win any bar contests. However, we would win quite a few women contests. Miami and Ohio? You're obviously a different type of person. Also, I'd love to see you try your hand at Auburn women, because clearly you're making this up. Auburn girls are some of the most reserved among big universities, they're fun, but our sorority girls aren't slutty. At all. For bars, you should go to Athens or Tuscaloosa or Austin. Oxford is worse than Auburn when it comes to drinking. However, Athens and TAMU don't compare to Auburn regarding girls (I live in Athens). Ole Miss, despite its rather inept bar scene, may have the prettiest girls in the country.