Starting A Sorority

[Drolefille]

And I can't find this information at ZTA's national site.

I know it was founded at Farmville, were the other NPC's founded there sororities or fraternities?

[kddani]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And I can't find this information at ZTA's national site.

I know it was founded at Farmville, were the other NPC's founded there sororities or fraternities?

KD has always been a sorority.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kddani

KD has always been a sorority.

Thanks, I don't know that group of sororities (in the GENERAL SENSE) as well as I'd like. I just think that if this was the case it would be mentioned on the national website. If all of that information was copy and pasted from there, it would be "proof." Or another ZTA who can corroborate this information.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kddani

KD has always been a sorority.

As has ASA. We were founded after ZTA, however.

[blueangel]

I suppose I will have to spoon feed this to you. From the NATIONAL WEBSITE archives:

Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities."

http://web.archive.org/web/200304210...a.org/trad.htm

[33girl]

Originally Posted by blueangel

I suppose I will have to spoon feed this to you. From the NATIONAL WEBSITE archives:

Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities."

http://web.archive.org/web/200304210...a.org/trad.htm

Why didn't you just post that to begin with instead of a bunch of random collegiate chapter sites?

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

Regurgitating does very little to make you look like you know what you're talking about.

Not to mention that is from the ARCHIVED web page. This is the current page on the national website discussing ZTA's history which mentions nothing about "sisterhoods organized in connection with mens' fraternities" or ZTA's desire to differentiate itself from them.

http://www.zetataualpha.org/default....t&ContentId=41

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Why didn't you just post that to begin with instead of a bunch of random collegiate chapter sites?

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

Regurgitating does very little to make you look like you know what you're talking about.

LOL! Hurts to be proven wrong, doesn't it???

Crow.. yum, yum!

[kddani]

Originally Posted by blueangel

LOL! Hurts to be proven wrong, doesn't it???

Crow.. yum, yum!

Why are you incapable of having a normal conversation about a topic without entering into personal attacks and name caling?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by blueangel

"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a 'fraternity' to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called 'sororities.'"

http://web.archive.org/web/200304210...a.org/trad.htm

Originally Posted by 33girl

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

Yes, the reference would appear to be to what would later be called little sister groups, not to what we would call sororities today, and certainly not to any current or former NPC members orgs.

I believe that I have seen references to little sister orgs being called "sororities" in the days before that term came to refer exclusively to women's "fraternities." While we all know that Gamma Phi Beta was the first org to use the term "sorority" rather than "fraternity" or "fraternity for women," it must be remembered that sororitas (sisterhood) is pure Latin that would have been known to almost any fraternity man in the mid-1880s, Latin and Greek being core elements of a classical education. (Some etymologies I have looked at show the earliest use in English of the word "sorority" to have been circa 1530. Wish I had an OED handy.)

In the mid- to late-1800s, some fraternities had fairly organized "sororities," if you will, "of little sisters." I know that fraternities at Hampden-Sydney, located in the same Virginia county as Farmville, did. (My great-grandmother and her sisters were part of that group -- she wore my great-grandfather's Pike badge, which I now have. I also have an old Pike history with pictures of that chapter from the 1880s -- those pictures show the "little sisters" together with the brothers, my great-grands included.)

I would not be surprised that the founders of ZTA were familiar with the practice and terminology at Hampden-Sydney and chose to distinguish themselves from it. At the same time, the founders of KD, Tri-Sigma and ASA may not have felt the same need.

Perhaps ZTA removed the quote above from its national website to avoid risk of the very confusion seen in this thread.

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

I've always wanted to know this too.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Why didn't you just post that to begin with instead of a bunch of random collegiate chapter sites?

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

You'd think this would've been discussed before somewhere on greek chat. I've never heard of this until this thread.

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by kddani

You'd think this would've been discussed before somewhere on greek chat. I've never heard of this until this thread.

I thought so too. The only current NPC group that comes to mind is Alpha Xi Delta with the Sigma Nu connection.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by 33girl

As has ASA. We were founded after ZTA, however.

We were the first sorority founded on the campus (for those not familiar with the Farmville Four, they are KD, Tri-Sigma, ZTA, and ASA - I believe founded in that order).

I can assure you, and blueangel and whoever else, that we were certainly not, as blueangel stated, a sisterhood "organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities." "

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by kddani

We were the first sorority founded on the campus (for those not familiar with the Farmville Four, they are KD, Tri-Sigma, ZTA, and ASA - I believe founded in that order).

I can assure you, and blueangel and whoever else, that we were certainly not, as blueangel stated, a sisterhood "organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities." "

I never named your organization, nor did our national website. Stop trying to spin things... it's a very transparent tactic.