Starting A Sorority

blueangel · #1 11-29-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
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Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

33girl · #2 11-30-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups???

I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

blueangel · #3 11-30-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups???

I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

No, I'm not speaking on behalf of any other organizations. Please do not put words in my mouth. I was merely explaining that ZTA's founders chose to refer to it as a fraternity for the above mentioned reasons.

Here is your link. I hope you enjoy the taste of crow. Your failed dig at me was quite uncalled for and makes you look idiotic.

"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities". Zeta Tau Alpha has no "brother" fraternity...."

http://www.southwestern.edu/student-...a/history.html

33girl · #4 11-30-2006, 10:54 AM

I'm not putting words in your mouth - you are the one who posted that to begin with. What other "sororities" do you mean, if you don't mean ones such as I mentioned?

And considering the multitudinous grammar screwups on that page you linked to, I'm not convinced. National link (or again, a competent ZTA) please.

blueangel · #5 11-30-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Considering the multitudinous grammar screwups on that page, I'm not convinced. National link please.

Ah, so they are not "competent Zetas?"

Well, then, how about the Zetas at the College of NJ? Are they "competent?"
"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish
the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called sororities. "
http://www.ztaiotagamma.com/ourhistory.html

or.. perhaps Michigan State University? Do you think the Zetas there are incompetent?
http://www.msu.edu/~zta/History.htm

or maybe Robert Morris University would be good enough for you?
http://www.geocities.com/rmuzeta/history.html

How is the crow tasting?

jubilance1922 · #6 11-30-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

Ah, so they are not "competent Zetas?"

Well, then, how about the Zetas at the College of NJ? Are they "competent?"
"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish
the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called sororities. "
http://www.ztaiotagamma.com/ourhistory.html

or.. perhaps Michigan State University? Do you think the Zetas there are incompetent?
http://www.msu.edu/~zta/History.htm

or maybe Robert Morris University would be good enough for you?
http://www.geocities.com/rmuzeta/history.html

How is the crow tasting?

I think its great that several chapters have noted that information, but its been my experience that often chapter websites include incorrect information. Not saying that this information isn't correct, but for most people, they tend to trust things that are on national websites.

Drolefille · #7 11-30-2006, 11:12 AM

And I can't find this information at ZTA's national site.

I know it was founded at Farmville, were the other NPC's founded there sororities or fraternities?

33girl · #8 11-30-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I think its great that several chapters have noted that information, but its been my experience that often chapter websites include incorrect information. Not saying that this information isn't correct, but for most people, they tend to trust things that are on national websites.

AMEN.

cough cough Betty Crocker cough cough.

LPIDelta · #9 11-30-2006, 11:13 AM

Ummm...yeah. BA--We all know collegians may get things wrong from time to time....and things like that do just get copied and pasted. In my own group there are websites that say things that are not true....like Bette Midler being a member (she is not) because the web has helped proliferate the error. So just because its on a chapter website, does not mean that its true.

Anyway....I didn't mean to stick my nose in. Continue.

blueangel · #10 11-30-2006, 11:23 AM

33rd girl.. you're wrong. I proved it, you know it, but you obviously aren't big enough to acknowlege you're wrong.

As they say.. soldier on!

PeppyGPhiB · #11 11-30-2006, 03:56 PM

Blueangel, it is possible those chapters have "borrowed" from each other some incorrect information. Gamma Phi Beta has no "brother" fraternity, no affiliation with any men's organization whatsoever, and it never did. The term "sorority" was coined especially for Gamma Phi Beta because the term "fraternity" was not accurate. Since we are a sisterhood, not brotherhood, a professor came up with the term sorority to more accurately reflect our organization. Some women's organizations established before us chose to keep "fraternity" in their name, probably because of tradition (though I could be totally wrong about this as the reason), and some decided to call themselves fraternities even after our founding.

The term "sorority" has nothing to do with affiliation to a men's organization.

#12 11-30-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Gamma Phi Beta has no "brother" fraternity, no affiliation with any men's organization whatsoever, and it never did.

It should also be noted that no NPC sorority has an official affiliation with a men's organization, despite what some members think.

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The term "sorority" was coined especially for Gamma Phi Beta because the term "fraternity" was not accurate. Since we are a sisterhood, not brotherhood, a professor came up with the term sorority to more accurately reflect our organization. Some women's organizations established before us chose to keep "fraternity" in their name, probably because of tradition (though I could be totally wrong about this as the reason), and some decided to call themselves fraternities even after our founding.

What's interesting is that Alpha Gamma Delta was founded on the same campus 30 years later, but took on the name "Women's Fraternity." I wonder if they did so because they didn't want to "steal" the term created especially for the Gamma Phis...?

SmartBlondeGPhB · #13 11-30-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups???

I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

I call bullshit as well and I find it quite offensive as well. Seeing how the word was coined for us.