The Seinfeld Dude....

[shinerbock]

I think people throw around the word "ignorant" too much. It wasn't an ignorant thing to say, it was a hateful and heat of the moment thing to say. Obviously the content was racial, but I'm not sold on him being a racist either. I'm sure there are people who in a heated argument with their gay best friend may go "you faggot!" but I don't think that makes them a homophobe, it just means they were going for the lowest possible blow at the time.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think people throw around the word "ignorant" too much. It wasn't an ignorant thing to say, it was a hateful and heat of the moment thing to say.

You just can't agree with something, can you? For some reason you always need to put a point of disagreement in there. LOL

[laylo]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm sure there are people who in a heated argument with their gay best friend may go "you faggot!" but I don't think that makes them a homophobe, it just means they were going for the lowest possible blow at the time.

Even if someone would do this, would (s)he also say "Back in the day we'd have had you strung to a post and lit fire to your ass!"?

He made the lynching comment, followed by "you can talk, you're brave now motherf***er" and "That's what happens when you interrupt the White man". He was clearly implying that Blacks have stepped out of their place now that violence is no longer an accepted means of keeping them in it. I don't understand how people can seperate this from racism. Furthermore, it isn't as if the comment toward him was vile enough to evoke the lowest possible blow, the man just said he wasn't funny. And regardless, I personally don't think "I was angry" negates everything someone says in anger. Men who beat their wives do so in anger, that doesn't seperate the problem of violence against women from sexism.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by laylo

Men who beat their wives do so in anger, that doesn't seperate the problem of violence against women from sexism.

Men who beat their wives do so as a power trip... It has nothing to do with anger, which in psychological terms means being upset about an unfavorable condition. It has to do with resentment, that which is beyond anger, and rage, uncontrollable anger--like being Anakin coverted to the Dark Side of the Force...

And that is how MANY African Americans think of what racism is. It is mostly about domination and power, it is energy is perpetuated by resentment and rage.

I bet the Kramer dude was shaking after he wailed on his tirade and rant...

[shinerbock]

And I agree, if he is racist (who really cares anymore, I don't think it changes much), the lynching comments are the indicator. However, I don't know, maybe its just because I've been around racists, his rant just doesn't come off as what a racist would say. I still think its a combination of rage, over the top comedy, and an effort strike the core of the people who were insulting him. Of course, he could just be racist, i just have doubts.

[DSTKellie]

Originally Posted by laylo

Even if someone would do this, would (s)he also say "Back in the day we'd have had you strung to a post and lit fire to your ass!"?

He made the lynching comment, followed by "you can talk, you're brave now motherf***er" and "That's what happens when you interrupt the White man". He was clearly implying that Blacks have stepped out of their place now that violence is no longer an accepted means of keeping them in it. I don't understand how people can seperate this from racism. Furthermore, it isn't as if the comment toward him was vile enough to evoke the lowest possible blow, the man just said he wasn't funny. And regardless, I personally don't think "I was angry" negates everything someone says in anger. Men who beat their wives do so in anger, that doesn't seperate the problem of violence against women from sexism.

Good point, I agree.