Christian Fraternity colonizes University of Central Florida

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

That's exactly what I was thinking, both as to who is the "active party" and the phrasing itself. It's sort of like talking about "getting saved" or being asked "when were you saved?". I know exactly what people mean when they say those things, but they're phrases I have never heard used in my own tradition and that I associate with more evangelical traditions. It's just not the way we talk.

Maybe, but I can tell you that traditional Presbyterianism, rooted in Calvinism, would always look at God or Christ as the ultimate active party, and would say, without denying free will or human responsibility, that our ability to make sure we "keep under Christ" is completely dependent on God's grace that keeps us. That's one reason why, like Drolefille, it would sound a little more understandable to me to say "kept under Christ" than "keeping under Christ." That, and when I hear "Keeping Under Christ," my initial reaction is to ask "keeping what under Christ?"

When I hear keep under Christ I do think of standing under a Crucifix. But then I'm Catholic so just like "Being Saved" (which in our view is a moot point) "Keeping Under Christ" might be better expressed as following God's will/ living in a Christlike manner, etc.