Auburn Spring Rush 07

[Tom Earp]

Do Aubrun Greeks haze?

[autiger]

some do, but i havent heard of anything too terrible this semester

[robertearlkeen]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Do Aubrun Greeks haze?

Of course we do. Auburn Old Row Southern fraternities haze, always have, always will. The fine schools of the south will always represent the standards (in dress, appearance, and also actions) that are what fraternities used to be. We dont beleive in giving a bid and three weeks later making the kid a brother. Fraternities are not country clubs in which you buy your membership, they are organizations that you have to earn your right to be a part of. It is sad that the South is the only place that you can still find this.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

Of course we do. Auburn Old Row Southern fraternities haze, always have, always will. The fine schools of the south will always represent the standards (in dress, appearance, and also actions) that are what fraternities used to be. We dont beleive in giving a bid and three weeks later making the kid a brother. Fraternities are not country clubs in which you buy your membership, they are organizations that you have to earn your right to be a part of. It is sad that the South is the only place that you can still find this.

I'm sure your founders would see hazing as what fraternities "used to be."

[robertearlkeen]

Originally Posted by JessSigKap

I'm sure your founders would see hazing as what fraternities "used to be."

Im sure that my founders would agree on the fact that hazing is a necessary part of pledgeship to ensure that the pledge class grows together and also that they have earned the right to become a brother.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

Of course we do. Auburn Old Row Southern fraternities haze, always have, always will. The fine schools of the south will always represent the standards (in dress, appearance, and also actions) that are what fraternities used to be. We dont beleive in giving a bid and three weeks later making the kid a brother. Fraternities are not country clubs in which you buy your membership, they are organizations that you have to earn your right to be a part of. It is sad that the South is the only place that you can still find this.

It's sadder that you think hazing is accepta...you know what, never mind, this is not the time or place. Just know that I disagree with your opinion in many many ways.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

Of course we do. Auburn Old Row Southern fraternities haze, always have, always will. The fine schools of the south will always represent the standards (in dress, appearance, and also actions) that are what fraternities used to be. We dont beleive in giving a bid and three weeks later making the kid a brother. Fraternities are not country clubs in which you buy your membership, they are organizations that you have to earn your right to be a part of. It is sad that the South is the only place that you can still find this.

Same down here in Austin.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Do Aubrun Greeks haze?

Why? Are you going to call Auburn's Greek Affairs Office?

[robertearlkeen]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Why? Are you going to call Auburn's Greek Affairs Office?

Unfortunately they do, 3 houses got in trouble this semester becuase their pledges suck and called the hazing hotline. Kids called because they had to carry smokes and another kid called because he had to wear khakis and a collared shirt everyday. When you have kids calling for shit like that, you know the world is going to hell.

[shinerbock]

If you don't wear a collared shirt almost every day, you don't belong in a fraternity...in fact, you don't belong at Auburn.

[BrendanMcGrail]

That's odd, since I wear a collared shirt only when I must, and I'm in a fraternity. The only reasoning I can see that even remotely supports this is that it's a sign of "gentlemanly conduct", which I would assume should be based more on, well, conduct, and less on dress.

Furthermore, if you need to make a guy carry cigarettes or tell him how to dress, or any other sort of inane behavioral corrections to make him part of your fraternity - why the hell did you give him a bid in the first place?

[shinerbock]

If you can't carry something around, there are obviously problems. It is a very simple task of pledgeship we use as an indicator to see if pledges are keeping up with their other responsibilities. If you constantly are without your pin or a lighter or whatever, that makes us look further into what other things you may be overlooking (academics, house responsibilities, responsibilities to your pledge brothers).

I'll rephrase about the collared shirt thing, if you don't wear one regularly, you don't belong in a fraternity at Auburn, or at Auburn for that matter. The reason being that it makes you look like an adult, which you pretty much are. Now, wearing a t shirt now and then, of course, whatever, but if you're constantly walking around in mall t-shirts which have some catchy slogan from A&F, its time to go back to high school. Acting and dressing like responsible adults is something that many people like about AU, and as greeks you should hold yourselves to even higher a standard. You shouldnt worry about it, considering you don't go there. I imagine there is a difference in such standards on the respective campuses.

[robertearlkeen]

Originally Posted by BrendanMcGrail

That's odd, since I wear a collared shirt only when I must, and I'm in a fraternity. The only reasoning I can see that even remotely supports this is that it's a sign of "gentlemanly conduct", which I would assume should be based more on, well, conduct, and less on dress.

Furthermore, if you need to make a guy carry cigarettes or tell him how to dress, or any other sort of inane behavioral corrections to make him part of your fraternity - why the hell did you give him a bid in the first place?

First off, I cant believe that you dont have a dress code for your pledges. Do you really allow them to walk around in tshirts or whatever they want? Carrying cigarettes is to give to brothers when they need one. Pledges are not allowed to use any form of tobacco. As for "telling him how to dress, or any other sort of inane behavioral corrections to make him part of your fraternity," we are not making them dress in a way to conform to what we believe they should dress. To be honest they would never recieved a bid if we thought that they would not dress with class and in accordance to what a southern gentleman should look like. It dumbfounds me that some greek organizations make their "pledges" do hardly anything besides learn the organizations history. Im not saying you have to beat them, but I do not beleive in short 8 week pledgeships, non hazing, or not making them follow simple rules such as carrying smokes for brothers or dressing nicely. Also you should probably start wearing collared shirts, in the real world companies dont tend to hire people who show up in emo gear or american eagle tshirts.

[BrendanMcGrail]

Originally Posted by robertearlkeen

First off, I cant believe that you dont have a dress code for your pledges. Do you really allow them to walk around in tshirts or whatever they want? Carrying cigarettes is to give to brothers when they need one. Pledges are not allowed to use any form of tobacco. As for "telling him how to dress, or any other sort of inane behavioral corrections to make him part of your fraternity," we are not making them dress in a way to conform to what we believe they should dress. To be honest they would never recieved a bid if we thought that they would not dress with class and in accordance to what a southern gentleman should look like. It dumbfounds me that some greek organizations make their "pledges" do hardly anything besides learn the organizations history. Im not saying you have to beat them, but I do not beleive in short 8 week pledgeships, non hazing, or not making them follow simple rules such as carrying smokes for brothers or dressing nicely. Also you should probably start wearing collared shirts, in the real world companies dont tend to hire people who show up in emo gear or american eagle tshirts.

The only point you've made that I agree with is that I also do not believe in an 8 week pledge program - ours lasts the entire semester, and I absolutely feel it should. It's impossible to adequately communicate the nature of the organization in a shorter period. However, both before and after that, you failed to produce a single statement I agreed with beyond the tangential "real world companies dont tend to hire people who show up in emo gear or american eagle tshirts", which I will address after tackling the larger issue(s) at hand.

First, the issue of hazing. It's not who we are, or want to be. It goes against our fundamental principles to haze - if you're a Beta, I'll be more than happy to delve deeper into this with you, but if you're not, then trust me - it does. This also covers rules like carrying cigarettes for brothers. Aside from the obvious issue that none of us smoke, I absolutely fail to see the benefit that can come from having someone carry object x around with him. And again, we don't have a dress code for ourselves, so why would we have one for pledges? Clearly, there is one for chapter meetings and other events, but for day to day purposes, we're much too practical for that. Perhaps it's because we are (with only 1 exception), all science and engineering majors and value practicality, our founding principles, and logic over concerns of whether we are being sufficiently ostentatious; our reputation on campus and in the community speaks to the character of both our brothers and pledges in a light that is more than positive.

And now the collared shirt issue. I'm slightly bothered by the fact that you think I lack the class to dress appropriately for work-related activities. Clearly, if the situation warranted it, I would. Fortunately, it seldom will in my life, since I plan on spending most of my professional career in academia, where again, practicality trumps social convention.

Maybe I just lack an understanding and appreciation of why the idea of a "southern gentleman" is still around in 2006. Shouldn't you be more concerned with being a good global citizen? The world extends beyond the Mason-Dixon Line - in fact, it gets a lot better(well, politically, anyway).