Michigan's Prop 2 to ban affirmative action

macallan25 · #1 11-01-2006, 02:32 AM

I don't think there should be any ambiguity.......there shouldn't be anything like it period. Qualifications and performance should be the deciding factors.

AKA_Monet · #2 11-01-2006, 03:33 PM

Mac-

I am only responding to you, personally.

You KNOW that qualifications and performance will NEVER be the final deciding factors, EVER...

That is NOT how this "game" is played here in the United States.

I wish it was about equality, fairness and merit. But in life, it is not. It is about money, plain and simple. I all comes down to the money. If you have enough of it, you can get yourself into anywhere...

jubilance1922 · #3 11-01-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I wish it was about equality, fairness and merit. But in life, it is not. It is about money, plain and simple. I all comes down to the money. If you have enough of it, you can get yourself into anywhere...

No matter how "qualified" you are.

Taualumna · #4 11-01-2006, 04:22 PM

If you look at it from an anti-affirmative action POV, you COULD end up with a freshman engineering class made up mostly of Asian males.

ufdale · #5 11-01-2006, 04:40 PM

I have a huge problem with affirmative action.
If we say that minorities should be given an extra hand because they had less opportunities (poor schools, parents didn't go to college, whatever), then what about white children who went to the same schools, same background? The majority of children in poverty are white children and it seems that these are the kids that are getting left behind the most.
I'm native american. Of course I'm going to check the NA/I box (if it asks, should I deny it?), but did I need help getting into college? No. Both of my parents went to college, there also was enough money for me to attend college, but just because I am NA I recieved dozens of offers for grants/loans/scholarships that my white bf (who really needed the money) didn't receive.
Sure minorities might need extra help (due to condition, not race), but are we going about this the best way? Are we helping those minorities who need help the most? I think of America as more of a class based society, than race based. (But would people want to check lower class, middle or upper?)

AKA_Monet · #6 11-01-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ufdale

I have a huge problem with affirmative action.
If we say that minorities should be given an extra hand because they had less opportunities (poor schools, parents didn't go to college, whatever), then what about white children who went to the same schools, same background? The majority of children in poverty are white children and it seems that these are the kids that are getting left behind the most.
I'm native american. Of course I'm going to check the NA/I box (if it asks, should I deny it?), but did I need help getting into college? No. Both of my parents went to college, there also was enough money for me to attend college, but just because I am NA I recieved dozens of offers for grants/loans/scholarships that my white bf (who really needed the money) didn't receive.
Sure minorities might need extra help (due to condition, not race), but are we going about this the best way? Are we helping those minorities who need help the most? I think of America as more of a class based society, than race based. (But would people want to check lower class, middle or upper?)

Based on your simple logic, you should have never checked the Native American box...

Nobody's faulting you if you don't want to be an ethnic group. It is fine with us. You can be proud to choose nothing. But don't be an ethnic group on paper...

Low-income does play a role in the current University programs in States that eliminated Affirmative Action...

So your question is a moot point...

I just mentored an entering freshman who was caucasian, whose mother was a crack addict prostitute. And I had NADA problems helping this young lady out to achieve her goals...

macallan25 · #7 11-01-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Mac-

I am only responding to you, personally.

You KNOW that qualifications and performance will NEVER be the final deciding factors, EVER...

That is NOT how this "game" is played here in the United States.

I wish it was about equality, fairness and merit. But in life, it is not. It is about money, plain and simple. I all comes down to the money. If you have enough of it, you can get yourself into anywhere...

I can agree with you in some instances. Connections can play a big role too. However, I definitely know of plenty guys my age from insanely wealthy families that haven't gotten into schools.......and the are very well known.

AKA_Monet · #8 11-01-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

I can agree with you in some instances. Connections can play a big role too. However, I definitely know of plenty guys my age from insanely wealthy families that haven't gotten into schools.......and the are very well known.

You know your friends wanted to attend some SEC school just to be on the winning team...

Man the PAC-10 SUCKS!!! And the what's up with the ACC?--wait don't answer that question, 'cuz I don't wanna know...

macallan25 · #9 11-01-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You know your friends wanted to attend some SEC school just to be on the winning team...

Man the PAC-10 SUCKS!!! And the what's up with the ACC?--wait don't answer that question, 'cuz I don't wanna know...

Hahaha.....you may actually be right.

MysticCat · #10 11-02-2006, 10:01 AM

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And the what's up with the ACC?

The same thing that's always wrong with the ACC during football season -- waiting for basketball season.

shinerbock · #11 11-02-2006, 10:39 AM

The SEC may be better than the ACC in bball, too.