Barak Obama...could he be the next President of the US?

eyenomifate · #1 10-26-2006, 08:40 AM

No part whatsoever. You should vote for who YOU feel is the best candidate and not (as I assume) vote on race. This seems to be a terrible problem with African Americans today. The Democratic party merely pacifies poor people with social programs that have no chance of working, and the Republicans only care about big business. While it would be nice if Senator Obama would enter the race for President, two books do not make a man known.

Oh BTW.......Oprah for President? Stop it.

LionOfJudah · #2 10-27-2006, 05:29 PM

Well to assume that because the Democratic Party "pacifies" the AfAm vote doesn't make the other choice any better. The Republican Party ignores the AfAM vote......so the question then becomes "would you rather be pacified or ignored?" Hmmm interesting....I was raised by 2 Republican parents who were Republican when Republican wasn't cool in the AfAm community. I was also raised in a very political and highly educated household. So I understand the ideals of pacification and know it when I see it....(the Republican Party in the AfAm church, prime example of pacifying a race). They don't care about AfAms, they just have common enemies...those who are perceived as "immoral".

Now as for the 2 books I never said those books made him a candidate for President nor did I say that I felt like I knew him. I said it gave me the impression that he was "different".

On to your Oprah comment. I would also like to address the idea of Oprah being President. That idea is neither far fetched nor unprecedented. You have an actor turned President in Ronald Reagan, and actor/body builder born in another country as Governor of a State....so why not Oprah? Not saying I would vote for her but let's not pose the question as if it is impossible or unconscionable.

DSTCHAOS · #3 10-27-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LionOfJudah

Well to assume that because the Democratic Party "pacifies" the AfAm vote doesn't make the other choice any better. The Republican Party ignores the AfAM vote......so the question then becomes "would you rather be pacified or ignored?" Hmmm interesting....I was raised by 2 Republican parents who were Republican when Republican wasn't cool in the AfAm community. I was also raised in a very political and highly educated household. So I understand the ideals of pacification and know it when I see it....(the Republican Party in the AfAm church, prime example of pacifying a race). They don't care about AfAms, they just have common enemies...those who are perceived as "immoral".

Now as for the 2 books I never said those books made him a candidate for President nor did I say that I felt like I knew him. I said it gave me the impression that he was "different".

On to your Oprah comment. I would also like to address the idea of Oprah being President. That idea is neither far fetched nor unprecedented. You have an actor turned President in Ronald Reagan, and actor/body builder born in another country as Governor of a State....so why not Oprah? Not saying I would vote for her but let's not pose the question as if it is impossible or unconscionable.

Option C: Neither.

Being pacified is being patronized. It's almost worse than being ignored.
When someone is patronizing you they are say "yeah...yeah...you aren't going away so we'll throw you a bone to shut you up." I'd rather someone be upfront and honest about not thinking certain concerns are important so I can know where they stand and vote accordingly.

Black people don't need to align to any political party. Democrat doesn't hold much more tradition or relevance to Blacks than Republican does. Vote based on platform. This way parties will have to work for votes without being able to count on getting a majority of Black voters.

ladygreek · #4 10-27-2006, 11:35 PM

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Option C: Neither.

Being pacified is being patronized. It's almost worse than being ignored.
When someone is patronizing you they are say "yeah...yeah...you aren't going away so we'll throw you a bone to shut you up." I'd rather someone be upfront and honest about not thinking certain concerns are important so I can know where they stand and vote accordingly.

Black people don't need to align to any political party. Democrat doesn't hold much more tradition or relevance to Blacks than Republican does. Vote based on platform. This way parties will have to work for votes without being able to count on getting a majority of Black voters.

Hear, hear. My grandparents were Dems, my parents were Eisenhower Repubs (the party of Lincoln.) Right now neither "party" is doing right by us. Vote the platform! I will definitely be split voting this election.

Oh and my advice to Barack..wait a while longer. Show what you can do and what influence you really have in your current position. Don't believe the hype--it's a set up!

eyenomifate · #5 10-28-2006, 04:29 AM

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Hear, hear. My grandparents were Dems, my parents were Eisenhower Repubs (the party of Lincoln.) Right now neither "party" is doing right by us. Vote the platform! I will definitely be split voting this election.

Oh and my advice to Barack..wait a while longer. Show what you can do and what influence you really have in your current position. Don't believe the hype--it's a set up!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DSTCHAOS · #6 10-28-2006, 10:13 AM

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Oh and my advice to Barack..wait a while longer. Show what you can do and what influence you really have in your current position. Don't believe the hype--it's a set up!

Regardless of who fights the good fight, the next President will be a Protestant, white man.

LionOfJudah · #7 12-12-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Hear, hear. My grandparents were Dems, my parents were Eisenhower Repubs (the party of Lincoln.) Right now neither "party" is doing right by us. Vote the platform! I will definitely be split voting this election.

Oh and my advice to Barack..wait a while longer. Show what you can do and what influence you really have in your current position. Don't believe the hype--it's a set up!

History has shown that the longer a person waits in the Senate the less likely they are to become President. He should strike while the iron is hot. This climate and opportunity will not present itself again. For him or any other like him for quite a while.

I ask the question again....Barak Omaba....could he be the next President of the US?

He has closed a gap on Sen. Clinton in record time and shows no signs of slowing....

LoJ

DSTCHAOS · #8 12-12-2006, 01:51 PM

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I ask the question again....Barak Omaba....could he be the next President of the US?

No and we pretty much answered your question already.

ladygreek · #9 12-12-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LionOfJudah

History has shown that the longer a person waits in the Senate the less likely they are to become President. He should strike while the iron is hot. This climate and opportunity will not present itself again. For him or any other like him for quite a while.

I ask the question again....Barak Omaba....could he be the next President of the US?

He has closed a gap on Sen. Clinton in record time and shows no signs of slowing....

LoJ

IMO, both Obama and Clinton are unelectable right now. So if they are who the Dems are hanging their hats on then watch a moderate Repub become the next president.

shinerbock · #10 12-12-2006, 02:54 PM

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IMO, both Obama and Clinton are unelectable right now. So if they are who the Dems are hanging their hats on then watch a moderate Repub become the next president.

You're a smart lady.

AlphaFrog · #11 03-01-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

IMO, both Obama and Clinton are unelectable right now. So if they are who the Dems are hanging their hats on then watch a moderate Repub become the next president.

In other words, Rudy. (I don't think McCain is Moderate enough to win)

Shortfuse · #12 04-09-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

IMO, both Obama and Clinton are unelectable right now. So if they are who the Dems are hanging their hats on then watch a moderate Repub become the next president.

WRONG. Nobody is going to hang their hat on McClain (too wishy washy and he's starting to sound ALOT like Bush). Guilani isn't going to win and there isn't a Republican that America trust. The Iraq War is going to leave a nasty taste in our mouths for a long time.

If anything folks will go with John Edwards. But, he's a LONG shot at the moment.

DSTCHAOS · #13 10-27-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eyenomifate

No part whatsoever. You should vote for who YOU feel is the best candidate and not (as I assume) vote on race. This seems to be a terrible problem with African Americans today. The Democratic party merely pacifies poor people with social programs that have no chance of working, and the Republicans only care about big business. While it would be nice if Senator Obama would enter the race for President, two books do not make a man known.

Oh BTW.......Oprah for President? Stop it.

I agree, although I completely understand why having a minority President (whether based on race or gender) is an important social change. It would be a milestone and be indicative of a tipping of the balance of power in this society.

The question then becomes, as Black people what is important to us when voting? William Julius Wilson wrote the Declining Significance of Race in which he argued that class was increasing in significance and race, although still of significance, was declining in its social relevance for us. So should a people with disproportionate poverty, disproportionate criminality, and over 60% single motherhood vote based on class or do many Blacks still feel like race is what impacts our life chances? Poor blacks will undoubtedly vote Democrat, whether that's based on their race or class. Many middle to upperclass blacks will vote based on class and therefore vote Republican. Unless they are thinking of the bigger, more racially utilitarian, picture.

shinerbock · #14 10-27-2006, 07:05 PM

Republicans don't ignore black people, its just generally against their platform to give many black people what they want. Its ideology difference, not negligence based on race.

DSTCHAOS · #15 10-27-2006, 11:00 PM

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Republicans don't ignore black people, its just generally against their platform to give many black people what they want. Its ideology difference, not negligence based on race.

What's the difference in this instance?