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10-10-2006, 10:21 PM
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If that's the case, then why do many conservatives like for their children to participate in organizations like Boy Scouts (an organization I value highly, and that makes no bones about existing to instill values in youth), or to attend Sunday School, Vacation Bible School or youth groups at church? Why do many conservatives care about the kind of school their children attend, with many opting for private or religious schools? If mom and dad can do just fine, who needs Scouts or church groups? What does it matter what the teacher thinks?
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Since I haven't heard from that Aussie loser, I'll answer your question - which you answered: "existing to instill values in youth"
The original supporters of private schools are the liberals. Can you name one Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, (Jessie) Jackson, or Pelosi child who ever entered a public school? They want the best for their kids, as do conservatives.
The evil "village" is the government. They think more governmental rules and more government spending is needed. They don't think congressman Foley should email pages, but they think gay leaders should go camping with boy scouts. They would not allow a scout to have a pocket knife, let alone a hatchet. Peeing in the woods? Oh no never.
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10-11-2006, 03:21 AM
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Since I haven't heard from that Aussie loser, I'll answer your question - which you answered: "existing to instill values in youth"
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What did I do to deserve to be called that? The reason why I haven't reponded until now is because I have been going to classes and working to pay my way through college for the last few days. I offered a legit opportunity for you to explain you views on college radio (not a lecture) via a phone-link at no cost to yourself, though instead I get my offer thrown right back at my face and and branded a looser, something that most if not all people (esspecially reporters) get ticked off about.
Tell me then, why have most of the world's scientists from the last few centuries publically stated that they study a specific field of science in order to better understand the methods behind God's actions. If these men and women were atheists as you say they are, why did they publicly state that they had religious beliefs? Why also did the Catholic and other churches sponsor the research of various individuals in the rennaicence/reformation era if these people were supposedly atheists?
Also wheres your proof when it comes to sex reassignment that the vast majority of transgendered individuals want the government to pay for their treatment? I am a transgendered person and I have never, ever, run into ideas like that, let alone figures that support them.. If you can find them though, be my guest and present them.
I can see that all you want to do is insult people who have different views to you though, so you can get lost as far as I'm concerned.
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10-11-2006, 12:00 PM
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Tell me then, why have most of the world's scientists from the last few centuries publically stated that they study a specific field of science in order to better understand the methods behind God's actions. If these men and women were atheists as you say they are, why did they publicly state that they had religious beliefs?
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My view is pretty much the same as G.H.W.Bush (#51):
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When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates had the following exchange with then Vice President Bush.
Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are Atheists?
Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the Atheist community. Faith in god is important to me.
Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are Atheists?
Bush: No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?
Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on Atheists.
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10-11-2006, 12:35 PM
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My view is pretty much the same as G.H.W.Bush (#51):
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#51? Um, no.
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10-11-2006, 12:43 PM
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I'm fairly sure he meant 41.
As for the private school thing, you're right they're not all great. There are people in my church who send their kids to Christian schools which are absolutely terrible. I personally went to public school, and would send my kids to public school if we lived in an area where they are quality. Also note, I would never buy my kid in HS a BMW 7 series. If he asked me for a lowered, thugged out bmw, I'd feel the same way I do about a scion. Basically, I imagine I'll be one of those "pull your pants up, don't cock your hat to the side" type of fathers. I thought those things were stupid when I was in HS, I think they're stupid now.
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10-11-2006, 01:41 PM
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I'll slap my kid silly if he dresses like that.
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10-11-2006, 01:58 PM
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Also note, I would never buy my kid in HS a BMW 7 series. If he asked me for a lowered, thugged out bmw, I'd feel the same way I do about a scion. Basically, I imagine I'll be one of those "pull your pants up, don't cock your hat to the side" type of fathers. I thought those things were stupid when I was in HS, I think they're stupid now.
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That's me as well, although I like to think I won't have to tell him those things.
But I am absolutely amazed sometimes when I see the cars some parents are buying for their kids.
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10-11-2006, 03:03 PM
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I personally went to public school, and would send my kids to public school if we lived in an area where they are quality.
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Same here.
However if the public school isn't up to par then I will still send my child there as long as my child's life isn't in danger. I went to a bad public HS and I believe the same thing that my parents believed: keeping good parents and good students in those types of systems are the catalyst for change.
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10-11-2006, 04:54 PM
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You're right, I mean, its the same thing with bad neighborhoods and stuff...however, if I had gone to my high school like it is now, I'd have hated it. I don't want my kids to go somewhere where expectations are low and they really don't like being around the people that go there.
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10-11-2006, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ann.coulter2
My view is pretty much the same as G.H.W.Bush (#51):
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Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?
Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on Atheists.
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A) I guess you know that no one but Robert Sherman ever reported that story, and it has never been corroberated or confirmed by anyone else.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._04/008542.php and
http://www.robsherman.com/advocacy/060401a.htm
B) Whether Bush said it or not, what does that have to do with the question you at least acted like you were answering?
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10-11-2006, 07:36 AM
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Since I haven't heard from that Aussie loser, I'll answer your question - which you answered: "existing to instill values in youth"
The original supporters of private schools are the liberals. Can you name one Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, (Jessie) Jackson, or Pelosi child who ever entered a public school? They want the best for their kids, as do conservatives.
The evil "village" is the government. They think more governmental rules and more government spending is needed. They don't think congressman Foley should email pages, but they think gay leaders should go camping with boy scouts. They would not allow a scout to have a pocket knife, let alone a hatchet. Peeing in the woods? Oh no never.
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Jimmy Carter sent his daughter Amy to public schools in DC when he was in the White House. That created a lot of controversy back then.
No Congressman has any business emailing/texting/IMing any Page, male or female.
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10-11-2006, 09:37 AM
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Since I haven't heard from that Aussie loser, I'll answer your question - which you answered: "existing to instill values in youth"
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Actually, aside from simply quoting me you pretty much avoided the question -- if mom and dad can do it just fine, why do they seek the support of schools, churches and civic organizations to instill values in their kids? -- by diverting to another rant on liberals.
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The original supporters of private schools are the liberals. Can you name one Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, (Jessie) Jackson, or Pelosi child who ever entered a public school?
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What does that have to do with my question? And what does it have to do with all the private schools and "Christian academies" created over the last forty years to avoid things like integregation and the teaching of evolution?
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They want the best for their kids, as do conservatives.
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This is the closest you get to ansering the question. But earlier you said "conservatives think mom and dad can do it just fine," which is why I asked the question. So I'll take your tepid response as a tepid admission that it does take more than mom and dad to provide the best eduction and to instill values in youth.
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The evil "village" is the government.
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Actually, anytime I've ever heard the phrase used, "village" is the community -- teachers, churches, Scouts, mentors, etc. I assume that you know that even in a democratic society where all authority ultimately derives from the people, "community" and "government" are not the same thing. But that would get in the way of your "argument," wouldn't it?
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They think more governmental rules and more government spending is needed. They don't think congressman Foley should email pages, but they think gay leaders should go camping with boy scouts. They would not allow a scout to have a pocket knife, let alone a hatchet. Peeing in the woods? Oh no never.
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The surest sign of the empty argument is putting everything on "them." Liberals (or whoever the easy scapegoat is) = bad, conservatives ("us") = good. You know, I know quite a few scouting families with "Kerry-Edwards"/"Get Us Out of Iraq"/"Peace is Patriotic" bumperstickers who have no problem with pocket knives and hatchets but do have a problem with gay scout leaders. Go camping with some Scouts sometime, and you'll see that your ridiculous over-generalizations hold about as much water as your credibility.
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10-11-2006, 10:00 AM
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there is so much that is just plain wrong in your post, i think you are the real ann coulter
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10-11-2006, 10:04 AM
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there is so much that is just plain wrong in your post, i think you are the real ann coulter
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I hope you mean ann.coulter2 and not me.
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10-11-2006, 10:29 AM
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I hope you mean ann.coulter2 and not me. 
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lol, yeah, i think you're the real ann coulter....please stop hating liberals
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