Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[Jen]

I would like to discuss the issue of AI and its place on Greekchat. Anyone else up for that?

[BaylorBean]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

I would like to discuss the issue of AI and its place on Greekchat. Anyone else up for that?

I'm with you.....

Here are my feelings, I am not against AI and Sigma Kappa has gained many wonderful members through AI. But for there to be a forum here on GC there would have to be moderating above and beyond anything that anyone would have time to do. Too many women have come over the years who 1. seem to be doing it for the wrong reasons, 2. seem to be going about it the wrong way. Is there a right way? Well not really since each organization has a different way of doing things. This is why the PANM should know someone in the organization who can "guide" them and support them on this journy. AI is not something taken lightly and I think that is why so many have gotten up in arms about it lately. It is a very serious and special honor bestowed on someone who is felt to be deserving by MANY members, not just a handful, especially not by just ones on an internet chat board.

[Jen]

Originally Posted by BaylorBean

I'm with you.....

Here are my feelings, I am not against AI and Sigma Kappa has gained many wonderful members through AI. But for there to be a forum here on GC there would have to be moderating above and beyond anything that anyone would have time to do. Too many women have come over the years who 1. seem to be doing it for the wrong reasons, 2. seem to be going about it the wrong way. Is there a right way? Well not really since each organization has a different way of doing things. This is why the PANM should know someone in the organization who can "guide" them and support them on this journy.

Exactly! And if they don't know anyone in that organization, they can contact the orgs HQ. Or they can PRIVATE message someone on GC they think might be able to help them.

And I agree that the modding of the forum is a crazy undertaking and I would never want to do it. Although if I did it would be filled with locked posts lol.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by BaylorBean

I'm with you.....

Here are my feelings, I am not against AI and Sigma Kappa has gained many wonderful members through AI. But for there to be a forum here on GC there would have to be moderating above and beyond anything that anyone would have time to do. Too many women have come over the years who 1. seem to be doing it for the wrong reasons, 2. seem to be going about it the wrong way. Is there a right way? Well not really since each organization has a different way of doing things. This is why the PANM should know someone in the organization who can "guide" them and support them on this journy. AI is not something taken lightly and I think that is why so many have gotten up in arms about it lately. It is a very serious and special honor bestowed on someone who is felt to be deserving by MANY members, not just a handful, especially not by just ones on an internet chat board.

I agree with you but I would take what you said a step further. AI is about many women agreeing. GC has no real part in that process. That's why I don't see it as a negative to allow people to post here. Because it doesn't matter if NPCgirl1235456 likes PNAM5092, so why not post about it.

I think it's important for support and general information not to encourage AI. Even if the subforum were to be removed, discussions that pop up elsewhere should not be shut down, but should be [B]discussed.[B]

And perhaps that is the way to go. Remove this forum, but allow AI postings in Greek Life or wherever else. Thus GC is not seen to encourage anything. (Which I don't think it does at all.)

[Jen]

I would like to discuss the issue of AI and its place on Greekchat? Anyone else up for that?

[texas*princess]

It must have been somewhat confusing because I would have expected a reply with more substance.. but alright.

[cutie_cat_4ever]

Instead of all these debating back an forth, why not let your own GLO HQ people decide on this matter? Your HQ will know EXACTLY what to say and what not to say and let them clarify and suggest whether this forum should exist. Because afterall, it's your GLO image (or point of view) and what better person to say rather than your HQ?

I'm sure they will be really concern the things that are going on this forum, and even if they didn't want to actively talk about it on these forums, they could at least email the mods and let them know their concerns. That's called damage control. Even many of you said that the info on the website implies what to say or what not, in a lot of cases, not many people will go actively to serach on their websites. That's why they turn to GC.

Umm....I guess that's my 2 cents there, please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks! hehe

Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever

Instead of all these debating back an forth, why not let your own GLO HQ people decide on this matter? Your HQ will know EXACTLY what to say and what not to say and let them clarify and suggest whether this forum should exist. Because afterall, it's your GLO image (or point of view) and what better person to say rather than your HQ?

I'm sure they will be really concern the things that are going on this forum, and even if they didn't want to actively talk about it on these forums, they could at least email the mods and let them know their concerns. That's called damage control. Even many of you said that the info on the website implies what to say or what not, in a lot of cases, not many people will go actively to serach on their websites. That's why they turn to GC.

Umm....I guess that's my 2 cents there, please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks! hehe

Greekchat's been around for over 7 years already. I'm sure members of our Inter/national Councils/HQs are aware of this site and already patrol the boards.

With the exception of 2 very active GC posters who also serve their organization at the highest level (that I know of, there may be more), most HQ officers are reluctant to post. Having an official speaking on behalf of the Fraternity on GreekChat I assume would open up a can of worms. HQs don't have full control over content that's posted here on GC, or on our own individual chapter websites, for that matter.

I (along with other GCers) wasn't even allowed to mention GreekChat anywhere near any of the International Council at a Convention I went to. That's enough for me to know how much they don't like GreekChat. That said, I doubt they'll be doing what you're suggesting anytime soon.

[cutie_cat_4ever]

Originally Posted by OTW

Greekchat's been around for over 7 years already. I'm sure members of our Inter/national Councils/HQs are aware of this site and already patrol the boards.

With the exception of 2 very active GC posters who also serve their organization at the highest level (that I know of, there may be more), most HQ officers are reluctant to post. Having an official speaking on behalf of the Fraternity on GreekChat I assume would open up a can of worms. HQs don't have full control over content that's posted here on GC, or on our own individual chapter websites, for that matter.

I (along with other GCers) wasn't even allowed to mention GreekChat anywhere near any of the International Council at a Convention I went to. That's enough for me to know how much they don't like GreekChat. That said, I doubt they'll be doing what you're suggesting anytime soon.

Oh, I see. I guess one would assume that HQ would be really concern what goes on these forums and how it portrays their GLO. It's generally true for most orgs or societies for higher ups to make a stand point (without citing any sources) to control damage, like politicians.

But I guess I can see having HQ voicing their opinions here as a form as risk management risk, sort of like you never know if you accidentially leaked out ritual or not.

With that being said, I guess that pretty much says that the AI forum shouldn't even exist in the first place , i guess?

[Jen]

Just imagine what would happen if a sorority suggested to its members that they should not post on a message forum such as Greekchat.

Just imagine.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

If you're referring to Blueangel as the ZTA AI who has been greviously wronged, it has nothing to do with her being an AI and everything to do with the way she conducts herself on these boards. If you are referring to Bichonl as the DDD AI who has been questioned for sorority shopping, members were pointing out their displeasure with AI sorority shopping.

Tom, I don't think you have read comprehensively. I say this because the thread in question asks members if they are pro/con regarding the continued existence of an AI Forum on Greek Chat.

Again, this may lie in a reading comprehension issue. IRL and online, quite the contrary. I'm not sure where you're getting this information, but it is completely inaccurate and you're just spreading misinformation.

That is wonderful!

Newsflash: AI is not recruitment. Our sororities exist for the purpose of undergraduate membership. Undergraduate recruitment is the appropriate forum to join a sorority and meet multiple sororities to determine a mutual selection. I am sure you are already familiar with that process. AI is meant for those who have a connection to the sorority and are invited to join based on their association with the organization.

An AI is invited to join based on her existing connection, not her blind bid to get a contact and attend alumnae events and "rush" an alumnae chapter. This is not the way 99.9% of us do things. I can't speak for your fraternity; perhaps you hold open alumni recruitment? This is the not the way NPC sororities conduct AI.

I'm sorry you may have observed this, but given the miscomprehension regarding prior posts and threads, perhaps you were also mistaken about this observance?

Indeed, they do! And we are grateful and indebted to all of our members who participate in sorority events, regardless of when and how they gained membership. Once a sister, always a sister. How she came to be a sister is irrelevant.

I have no idea what any of this statement means, but I don't believe you comprehend what you read, or you are purposely stirring the pot for your own amusement.

Tom, AI is not recruitment and it is an honor bestowed upon a small few based on their connection or service to the organization. It isn't publicized precisely because it is not recruitment. Once an AI member joins, she is a welcomed sister into our organizations. I hope you will read this paragraph several times so you comprehend fully what NPC AI is and cease with your hateful threads that spout nothing but lies and misinformation. Thanks.

Thank You for posting this and your responses.

You may have posted responses to mine, I never said it was an actual Recruitment, I was just trying to get an explanation of the difference, Some said it was a Ritual thing? Well, it isnt is it?

It is a form of bringing women into Females GOLs in one form or another.

Whether it is through Undergard or AI is the question.

It does happen and many can see it from the Fine Women/Ladies who have AIed and are Proud Members of those GLOs.

Now, do you want to argue that point?

They are not good enough because they are AI?


adpiucf, in reference to a last post to and by you, who has anymore right to post than a Member of GC and a Member of a GLO!

So, in many eyes, blueangel is a BITCH, why is it more so than some others?

I did not delete her birthday wish thread or post snarky posts!

I PMed her instead!

[UGAalum94]

AGDee, you are almost certainly correct, but that doesn't seem to be how GreekChat works. If that were the policy of the site (or of our group) , I'd be prepared to honor it, but it doesn't seem to be the rule here.

[I'm not sure I would draw the line about what need to be referred to IHQ the same place you would, but I see your point that the best way to get accurate answers is to ask people authorized to speak officially.]

I think AI policies vary and the level of secrecy varies. I don't think a blanket ban is needed. Alpha Gam has some very rudimentary policy info. online that can be accessed by non-members. If someone asked for that info. I don't think that it would be wrong to answer them. (which as I've said several times before, doesn't mean that I personally would answer)

Nobody can make you answer a question from a letter shopper. Don't try to put all the blame on them for asking, and suggest that Greek women need to be protected for being asked. Follow the policies of your own group, and all will be well.

[chitownxo]

[QUOTE=Tom Earp;1335502]Thank You for posting this and your responses.

You may have posted responses to mine, I never said it was an actual Recruitment, I was just trying to get an explanation of the difference, Some said it was a Ritual thing? Well, it isnt is it?In many peoples' eyes, all forms of intake are ritual, which is not to be discussed by outsiders. Fraternities may not consider membership selection ritual, but many sororities do.

It is a form of bringing women into Females GOLs in one form or another.Two distinct forms. I'll say it again; recruitment of undergrads is not the same thing as AI. They are two different processes. As there is no mutual agreement between the 26 NPC sororities on how to conduct AI (as there is in undergraduate recruitment), each group has their own distinct process.

Whether it is through Undergard or AI is the question.

It does happen and many can see it from the Fine Women/Ladies who have AIed and are Proud Members of those GLOs.

Now, do you want to argue that point?

They are not good enough because they are AI? No one is saying they aren't good enough. People can have personality conflicts with some people on this board and not like them without saying their sisterhood experience is tainted because they've gone through the AI process.


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