Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I think someone mentioned one solution of allowing each sorority to have its own AI sticky/thread, if it chooses to and if such a forum wouldn't violate their policies.

This will prevent the whole "that's not OUR policy" and "how can you speak for EVERYONE" thing altogether.

Well, in my mind it would. I would assume that the authority to regulate the AI forums if they were assigned in the GLO sections would rest with that forum moderator. I also think that IHQ probably could contact the moderator if they were concerned about what was posted.


OTW, I think the stuff from the Quarterly is probably fair game. As would be the experiences of AI members who explained how the process went for them. Really, it would depend on the question asked. But I don't think the program itself is secret. Invitation only, yes; secret, no.

It seems to me that IHQ should make their contempt for Greek Chat more public. Maybe I'll get a PM from them pointing out the error of my ways.

I think the same general guidelines that work for the forum generally could work in an AI forum. There are some areas that are clearly understood to be ritual and secret. There are some areas which are considered bad taste or un-panhellenic, but allowed. There are some areas which are completely open.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

OTW, I think the stuff from the Quarterly is probably fair game. As would be the experiences of AI members who explained how the process went for them. Really, it would depend on the question asked. But I don't think the program itself is secret. Invitation only, yes; secret, no.

So everybody knows that AGD does AI.

That's still not enough reason to keep an AI subforum open, sorry.

I'd also throw caution with AIs who explain how the process went for them. Not all AI processes are the same, and I'd hate for any PNAM to think, "OMG she got her sponsor on GC even though she didn't know her IRL...maybe I can get mine from GC too!"

[UGAalum94]

OTW, you mean they vary from chapter to chapter or from group to group?

With my last few comments, I had in mind a GLO specific AI sub-forum on each GLO's forum, and I'd think they'd have the same policies within the group.

Excuse me for my ignorance here, but the idea of trying to pick up a sponsor on GreekChat just seems so dumb. Why would anyone sponsor someone they didn't know in real life? I can see a PAI shopper looking, but I can't really see a member agreeing to sponsor some they had never met.

But still, I don't think the answer is to supress discussion completely.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

OTW, you mean they vary from chapter to chapter or from group to group?

They vary from PNAM to PNAM. I've seen PNAMs in the same organization who had completely opposite AI journeys.

With my last few comments, I had in mind a GLO specific AI sub-forum on each GLO's forum, and I'd think they'd have the same policies within the group.

I really don't think even that's necessary. greeklawgirl's done a great job with her stickied post at the top of the AGD forum, and whatever little public AI there is regarding the Fraternity is already found her post.

Excuse me for my ignorance here, but the idea of trying to pick up a sponsor on GreekChat just seems so dumb. Why would anyone sponsor someone they didn't know in real life? I can see a PIA shopper looking, but I can't really see a member agreeing to sponsor some they had never met.

Well, it's happened before. And GC knows I'm not making this up.

But still, I don't think the answer is to supress discussion completely.[/quote]

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Excuse me for my ignorance here, but the idea of trying to pick up a sponsor on GreekChat just seems so dumb. Why would anyone sponsor someone they didn't know in real life? I can see a PAI shopper looking, but I can't really see a member agreeing to sponsor some they had never met.

IT HAPPENS. FOR REAL, YO.

Again, this is WHY people are trying to get rid of AI discussion and why you should quit supporting "free exchange of information" unless you know all the facts.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

IT HAPPENS. FOR REAL, YO.

Again, this is WHY people are trying to get rid of AI discussion and why you should quit supporting "free exchange of information" unless you know all the facts.

Actually it's some people... not all. There are also a number of people who enjoy the AI subforum, and some, like me, who found it quite helpful when going through the process (please see my prior post.)

Yes, it happens a few PNAIs seek sponsorship on GC. But.. so what? They can ask.. but have they gotten any takers? I don't know of anyone who has sponsored anybody else for AI on Greek Chat without meeting them.
It's just like PNMs who ask for recs on Greek Chat. Is that any reason to shut down the recruitment forum?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Actually it's some people... not all. There are also a number of people who enjoy the AI subforum, and some, like me, who found it quite helpful when going through the process (please see my prior post.)

Yes, it happens a few PNAIs seek sponsorship on GC. But.. so what? They can ask.. but have they gotten any takers? I don't know of anyone who has sponsored anybody else for AI on Greek Chat without meeting them.
It's just like PNMs who ask for recs on Greek Chat. Is that any reason to shut down the recruitment forum?

Some...not including Tom, you, and 1 Alpha Gam. Clear enough now??

Giving someone a REC FOR RUSH is NOT THE SAME as SPONSORING for AI.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Some...not including Tom, you, and 1 Alpha Gam. Clear enough now??

Giving someone a REC FOR RUSH is NOT THE SAME as SPONSORING for AI.

Are you trying to allege that Tom, me and 1 Alpha Gam are the only people who favor having an AI subforum? I think you'd find you're sadly mistaken. It is really the vocal minority who want it gone.. not the majority of GC'ers. Clear enough now?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Yes, it happens a few PNAIs seek sponsorship on GC. But.. so what? They can ask.. but have they gotten any takers? I don't know of anyone who has sponsored anybody else for AI on Greek Chat without meeting them.
It's just like PNMs who ask for recs on Greek Chat. Is that any reason to shut down the recruitment forum?

Asking for a rec for rush is a HELL of a lot different than asking someone to be your sponsor for AI.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Asking for a rec for rush is a HELL of a lot different than asking someone to be your sponsor for AI.

Of course it's different.. but they're both inappropriate... and no reason to shut down whole forums. One can ask for sponsorship or a rec, but getting them is a whole 'nother story!

[Jen]

There are too many different policies and ways of doing things for one forum to handle successfully. That being said, having 26 separate forums does nothing to help. Most AIs that come on GC have little or no idea what groups to contact and then pick a few and contact them - their cover would be blown by posting in a forum in each group's section, not to mention people would see they're contacting quite a few. It would turn very messy, very fast.

There was a suggestion early on - a paragraph detailing that some sororities do AI, but it is membership information and can't be posted online. Contact the NPC site or a sorority for more info. If anyone on GC is willing to help you, they will contact you. Then the AI can post their username and any GCer that wanted to help could. But that would be the only AI stuff you'd see.

I'd rather have this forum be for discussing AI, how it is to be one, the good and bad sides of it etc, instead of a rush-like forum with stories and things.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

There are too many different policies and ways of doing things for one forum to handle successfully. That being said, having 26 separate forums does nothing to help. Most AIs that come on GC have little or no idea what groups to contact and then pick a few and contact them - their cover would be blown by posting in a forum in each group's section, not to mention people would see they're contacting quite a few. It would turn very messy, very fast.

Precisely- and it would get messy for a reason

There have been several comments this evening suggesting that GC, in one form or another, should have resources for those seeking to AI- and in what format such support should exist (1 forum, 26 forums etc.)

But this totally misses the whole point.

AI is a path to membership granted at the discretion of a GLO.

Why would any GLO want to publish any policies or procedures for a form of membership over which they have sole discretion? What is the benefit to the GLO to restrain their freedom in granting membership? (and no the answer is not to say that they are missing out on all kinds of great adults who would AI if it were easier.)

The message is clear- the GLOs do NOT want to promote the AI route to membership. And it should be obvious why.

The GLOs, not GC and CERTAINLY not PNAIs, are the ones who decide how AI will work, and it is academic at best for there to be a debate about the best way a non-GLO entity can provide accurate and helpful information for PNAIs seeking initiation. Such information is just not available.

[MTSUGURL]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

I'd rather have this forum be for discussing AI, how it is to be one, the good and bad sides of it etc, instead of a rush-like forum with stories and things.

Ok, I'm not a member of an NPC (I know most of you know that, but I feel like I have to make the disclaimer for those who don't) but I still say "Hear, hear!"