You should know I will continue to post these threads until they aren't deleted: 4th

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I think she wants us to agree with her that it's okay for her to post her opinions.

Or is it something else?

I'm not asking for anyone's approval of my posts. I just want my threads and posts to be treated in the same respect as others on here. Some people are able to say anything they want and it stays up. Do I post things that aren't nice? Sometimes, yes. And, sometimes people need to stop being so sensitive. But, what gets me is when there are people on this board that report almost anything I say. And, there are mods that delete too freely. How about a, "Grow some thicker skin," response to people that constantly accuse people of TOS violations? I mean, if those same people complaining have been involved in TOS violations themselves, I think it's harassment in itself to CONSTANTLY report people.

John saw this thread. He also moved the third one back in so it could be discussed. He said he would keep an eye on it. Yet, it was deleted by someone in here. I say if John saw nothing wrong with it, it should have been allowed to have stayed. If offending posts violate the TOS, then delete them. But, just because someone doesn't particulary care for the topic doesn't mean the whole thread should be deleted because of a couple of posts. THAT is my point. I have PM'd him on the subject. He read through thread two or three and saw nothing wrong with it. That is why I am reposting it. If he pm's me back and says he changed his mind, fine. But, until then, I stand by the thread and its subject matter.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

if those same people complaining have been involved in TOS violations themselves, I think it's harassment in itself to CONSTANTLY report people.

If what they're reporting actually is harssment, it's not harassment to report it. There's a fine line between being mean/blunt and being harassing. It's perfectly proper to call a moderator or John's attention to something which an individual thinks may be over the line. On a side note, how do you know you are currently being reported "constantly"? Did someone tell you this? Or do you just assume this is occuring?

You did the proper thing in bringing up your disagreements with the moderators of this forum up to John. That's the proper path to take.

John saw this thread. He also moved the third one back in so it could be discussed. He said he would keep an eye on it. Yet, it was deleted by someone in here. I say if John saw nothing wrong with it, it should have been allowed to have stayed. If offending posts violate the TOS, then delete them.

Since moderators don't get paid, sometimes the 'nuclear option' (removing the thread entirely) is much easier than giving it a careful pruning. Especially once it's 8 pages long and has devolved into a dramafest. We don't always have the time or energy to make everyone happy, so sometimes, in our haste, we do what we think is best and remove the thread. I've done it on rare occasion myself.

But, just because someone doesn't particulary care for the topic doesn't mean the whole thread should be deleted because of a couple of posts. THAT is my point. I have PM'd him on the subject. He read through thread two or three and saw nothing wrong with it. That is why I am reposting it. If he pm's me back and says he changed his mind, fine. But, until then, I stand by the thread and its subject matter.

The thread and its subject matter stating you have a right to an opinion? I don't think anyone disagrees with you so long as you express yourself in a TOS compliant way (not to insinuate that I know you've done otherwise because honestly, whether or not you're violating the TOS in a forum I don't moderate is not on my radar screen).

[RU OX Alum]

Saying someone shouldn't go through A.I. is not the same thing as harasment at all.


IZ 32 cheers for Tippiechick

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If what they're reporting actually is harssment, it's not harassment to report it. There's a fine line between being mean/blunt and being harassing. It's perfectly proper to call a moderator or John's attention to something which an individual thinks may be over the line. On a side note, how do you know you are currently being reported "constantly"? Did someone tell you this? Or do you just assume this is occuring?

John and I have had conversations about the accusations. Also, when someone tells you they are reporting you, you tend to believe them when any post in question is deleted.

I understand there's a fine line between snark and harassment. However, I don't believe that the majority of my posts have crossed that line. They have never been deleted like this until a certain poster began to complain. Now, it seems that a lot of what I post is deleted whether it is harassing or not.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

John and I have had conversations about the accusations. Also, when someone tells you they are reporting you, you tend to believe them when any post in question is deleted.

I understand there's a fine line between snark and harassment. However, I don't believe that the majority of my posts have crossed that line. They have never been deleted like this until a certain poster began to complain. Now, it seems that a lot of what I post is deleted whether it is harassing or not.

After reading all this, right before bed, had a thought:
What is the difference between "snark" (?), harassment,diatribe, harangue, and jeremiad?

And are any of them really required or needed in any type of group?

[Drolefille]

Snark is pointed sarcasm. It's useful for pointing out inconsistancies and silliness. It is not harassment. And you can't remove Snark from a message board just because you don't like it. It's not harassment. It is part of what make conversations with different people interesting. If we were all happy and gay and blowing sunshine all the time, GC would suck.


"I do declare, I think that recruitment went wonderfully"
"You don't say? Mine did as well"
"Hi, I'd like to join XYZ"
"Oh MY, I saw a lovely woman in XYZ letters the other day. If you're as lovely as her, you'll fit right in. I'm not in XYZ, but let me write a lovely letter for a lovely PNM"
"Thank you kindly ma'am/sir"

/barf

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

"I do declare, I think that recruitment went wonderfully"
"You don't say? Mine did as well"
"Hi, I'd like to join XYZ"
"Oh MY, I saw a lovely woman in XYZ letters the other day. If you're as lovely as her, you'll fit right in. I'm not in XYZ, but let me write a lovely letter for a lovely PNM"
"Thank you kindly ma'am/sir"

/barf

Why they gotta be Southern!?!

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Why they gotta be Southern!?!

Because everyone knows that us Yankees (even those who have moved south) couldn't be civil for that many posts in a row, bless our little hearts...

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by jon1856

After reading all this, right before bed, had a thought:
What is the difference between "snark" (?), harassment,diatribe, harangue, and jeremiad?

And are any of them really required or needed in any type of group?

So if I understand what is now posted above this, we need ( and all message boards, posting groups et al)
cutting language: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride
A/K/A:irony, mockery, cynicism, derision, acerbity, scorn, disdain

And the rest of my comments any POV's, thoughts, beliefs et al....

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by jon1856

So if I understand what is now posted above this, we need ( and all message boards, posting groups et al)
cutting language: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride
A/K/A:irony, mockery, cynicism, derision, acerbity, scorn, disdain

Yes. However, you missed one important one: Sarcasm

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes. However, you missed one important one: Sarcasm

No, I did not. That is the definition of it.

[greekalum]

Jon, unless you're Amish, most modern interaction involves PLENTY of sarcasm, including the occasional bit of cutting language. There's no reason to ban it from a message board.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Jon, unless you're Amish, most modern interaction involves PLENTY of sarcasm, including the occasional bit of cutting language. There's no reason to ban it from a message board.

LOL, literally.

Although that might explain a lot.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by jon1856

So if I understand what is now posted above this, we need ( and all message boards, posting groups et al)
cutting language: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride
A/K/A:irony, mockery, cynicism, derision, acerbity, scorn, disdain

And the rest of my comments any POV's, thoughts, beliefs et al....

Can someone translate this for me? Your posts lack cohesion and coherence - and that's without any sarcasm.

Also, cut the BS and make your freaking point already, so I can explain why you're wrong.

[SoCalGirl]

Read his prior post....I think his snarkiness went over most heads.