NPC Quota, Release Figures and Quota Additions (Updated 8/7/2007)

[FSUZeta]

releasing a certain amount of girls could work in a chapters favor, making them appear more desirable to the girls who were invited back to that chapters next round.

[KSUViolet06]

I hear ALOT of people saying this at other schools and on this board, it's a myth:

The new release figures method does NOT "GUARANTEE" that every chapter makes quota.

Yes it allows for smaller group to invite back more women. However, you can invite back back all the women you want,but that does not mean they have to accept. You still need need to do your part as a chapter to make girls interested in taking a closer look at your chapter.

They do help alot, but the new release figures method doesn't just magically give every chapter quota.

[GeorgiaGirl]

I like the new release figures system as it is used at UGA. It has worked on our campus. No, not every house is making quota, but many more are than have in the past. I honestly think that with a few more years of using this system that all of our houses will be consistantly making quota.

The main reason that I like this system has nothing to do with quota, party size, or release figures. I know that this system helped us to place many girls. Before, houses could continue to invite PNMs to parties so that they would have high return rates, or for whatever reason, and then release them before prefs. Girls would be devistated that they were released from their favorite houses and withdraw from recruitment. If larger houses have to cut up to 70% of PNMs after round 1, it gives the PNMs a realistic view of recruitment. It is easier to convince them to give houses that weren't their number one a second chance after round one than after they have just been dropped from their favorite house right before prefs. I hope that makes sense...

[33girl]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaGirl

IThe main reason that I like this system has nothing to do with quota, party size, or release figures. This fall I was a recruitment counselor and I know that this system helped us to place many girls.

This sums it up. The release figures are mainly to benefit the RUSHEES, not the sorority chapters. People have finally wised up to how damaging it is to have women who were previously pro-Greek turn anti-Greek because they got screwed at rush.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaGirl

I like the new release figures system as it is used at UGA. It has worked on our campus. No, not every house is making quota, but many more are than have in the past. I honestly think that with a few more years of using this system that all of our houses will be consistantly making quota.

The main reason that I like this system has nothing to do with quota, party size, or release figures. This fall I was a recruitment counselor and I know that this system helped us to place many girls. Before, houses could continue to invite PNMs to parties so that they would have high return rates, or for whatever reason, and then release them before prefs. Girls would be devistated that they were released from their favorite houses and withdraw from recruitment. If larger houses have to cut up to 70% of PNMs after round 1, it gives the PNMs a realistic view of recruitment. It is easier to convince them to give houses that weren't their number one a second chance after round one than after they have just been dropped from their favorite house right before prefs. I hope that makes sense...

I think it's a great system. I don't know that the numbers will ever work so perfectly so every group makes quota every year, but I think it's helping.

(I'm afraid that girls dropping out after quota is set will always make it hard for it to be perfect, but it will be greatly improved. Everyone will be a lot closer to quota even if they don't have it on bid day.)

I went to Georgia back in the 1990s, and I know that you are completely right about the old days.

I'm still confused about one aspect, though, and this is why I was hoping that we could get walked through a mock release figure rush.

I don't see how a group can cut 70% of the PNMs and still have 12 full parties the next day. I thought everyone got to invite at least estimated quota back to each event at each round, and that your previous return rates determined how much over that you could go.

So let's pretend at UGA during second round, 1000 girls were still in rush, and some groups had to cut 70% of them. That would leave only 300 girls to fill 12 second round parties. Do these groups have 25 girl parties?

I absolutely know that there are groups at UGA that if they only got to pref quota, could probably still have everyone they preffed want bids from them.

But I just don't see how the numbers work through all four rounds.

Anyone?

[ADPi Conniebama]

My response to that is - There are still some pnm's that get released from ALL or MOST of the sororities on the first/second night. The same girls are more then likely released the same days - except for the girls that everyone wants.

Therefore it doesn't effect quota. (if quota is set after theme or prior to pref)

I mean, lets say 200 girls go through and there are 4 sororities. . . it is very likely that 10 of the pnm's will be released from all four sororities the 1st night. (at the university that I work with these pnm's that were likely to be released early on were warned that this could happen [grades])

I hoped that helped a little or maybe I am way off base on your question.

[GeorgiaGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

(I'm afraid that girls dropping out after quota is set will always make it hard for it to be perfect, but it will be greatly improved. Everyone will be a lot closer to quota even if they don't have it on bid day.)

That is not really an issue at all. Quota at UGA is set by how many PNMs attend pref and sign a prefernece ranking card. It is made very clear what the implications will be if they decline their bid after signing this legally binding agreement. I can only think of two or three situations this year where girls declined their bids.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

So let's pretend at UGA during second round, 1000 girls were still in rush, and some groups had to cut 70% of them. That would leave only 300 girls to fill 12 second round parties. Do these groups have 25 girl parties?

I absolutely know that there are groups at UGA that if they only got to pref quota, could probably still have everyone they preffed want bids from them.

But I just don't see how the numbers work through all four rounds.

Anyone?

To answer your question, yes. They would have 25 girl parties. Some would even be smaller because of scheduling. PNMs do not view this as a negative thing. It makes them feel honored to be one of the "select few."

Moving on to your question about how it could work for all four rounds. After these houses make their 60-70% cuts after round one they cut very few girls in subsequent rounds. They are not cutting 60-70% every day. Just initially. So they basically have to have a fairly good idea of who they want before recruitment even begins.

Does this answer your question?

[UGAalum94]

It does answer my question. Thank you.

I'm surprised that it differs so much from how release numbers work in the first couple of post on this thread, but thanks for explaining.

That's good about quota. As far I as I knew, quota was still set by the number invited to prefs, as opposed to the number signing bid cards.

You are right, I would imagine very few if any groups won't make quota if only girls signing bid cards count!


Thank you!

[UGAalum94]

Conniebama, my question was a little different only because UGA has 18 groups. While I think there are a few girls who get released completely early on (as you noted, if they have really low grades for example) as a percentage of total PNM, I would expect that the number of girls released completely after 1st round would be slim.

Please note that this next observation is based on my memories of a process that I don't know if I understood fully at the time, so it may be wildly wrong.

In the past there was always a significant group who, because they got released by their favorites so late, dropped between third round and prefs when they realized for the first time where they'd actually get bids.

And if I remember correctly from back in the 90s, these late drop outs who were invited to prefs might have counted towards quota, even though nobody was going to bid them.

It's excellent that now only girls signing bid cards count!

GeorgiaGirl, if I understand you correctly, basically only second round parties at these houses would be small because for third round, 300/6 is about size of everyone else.

Thanks!