Eliminating Bigs and Littles?

Elephant Walk · #1 10-01-2006, 10:01 PM

big bro night was one of my favorites of pledging.

trideltrockstar · #2 10-02-2006, 09:20 AM

I think it would be an awful idea to eliminate bigs and littles. While it may cause problems initially with the selection process, usually that drama settles down pretty quickly. The purpose of a big sister is to help the little sister get to know everyone in the house and act as a mentor during her new member period. I think that's so important and I can't imagine my sorority experience without my big and little!

33girl · #3 10-02-2006, 09:59 AM

I believe KKG eliminated it, realized it was a horrible idea, and brought it back.

Getting rid of bigs and littles is ridiculous - brings us closer to being a club than a Greek organization - and any reasoning along the lines of "it gets rid of cliques" is completely asinine. Sororities are always going to have cliques within them, everyone just needs to deal with it. If it wasn't bigs/littles and families, it would be class standing or everyone who lives in the left wing of the house or something else. If the NPC doesn't want cliques, they need to change their expansion procedures so the houses don't get so huge that cliques are pretty much guaranteed.

aopirose · #4 10-02-2006, 10:59 AM

Another reason that I have heard mentioned for getting rid of the Big Sis/Lil Sis program doesn’t have anything to do with cliques. It has to do with spending. Some Bigs are in a position to go overboard spoiling their Littles with elaborate gifts. (I’m talking spending in excess of $1000.) That’s all well and good but it makes some initiates less inclined to be a Big if they cannot provide what others may be expecting. Setting spending limits per event does help to even things out but things can still get out of hand. A good solution that I have come across is that all Little Sister gifts are purchased and handed out by the chapter. An additional and more personal gift may be given for initiation but there is a spending cap. I believe that it can be a valuable program and affordability needn’t be a factor.

adpiucf · #5 10-02-2006, 11:07 AM

On paper it sounds like a great idea to refocus programs with the intention of eliminating cliques. In reality, it is human nature to bond with others and that is why cliques form within cliques.

Heck, isn't that why we join sororities? Looking for a place to belong? And within that place to belong, you'll find another subset-- a clique.

ADPi's Diamond Sister program was formed with this intention. On paper, the Delta (initiated sister) sponsors the Alpha (new member) through her new member period as a personal mentor and guide to acclimate her to Greek Life and serve as her sponsor through ritual. All new member gifts, on paper, are to be budgeted through the chapter so that more women can serve in this sponsor role without assuming a financial burden. On paper, there are no "families" and the Diamond Sister relationship formally concludes with initiation.

It sounds great on paper, but in reality, ADPi's want Bigs and Littles like every other sorority. So you'll hear collegians referring to their sponsors as their "Big" or their "Big Diamond," there will be family cliques with "Grandlils" or "Grand Diamonds," and in my chapter there were even "adopted Diamonds" or "Cubic Zirconias" (if you ever see an ADPi sign a letter "CZ Love," they're adopted! LOL).

The Pride Program is a great concept-- rotating small groups to help members get to know one another better, serve on committees and support the chapter (IE. XYZ Pride takes on Task A, ABC Pride takes on Task B, etc...), but it's another system that really doesn't work well in practice when you have members who are already overprogrammed enough as it is with school, sorority and life. Getting together as a pride to bake cookies is sometimes just one more activity that can't be crammed in there-- it's like setting up a playgroup!

I think they're all great ideas on paper, but the execution needs to continue to evolve. I've no doubt it will.

Sororities need to continue their sponsor sister programs, but there should be more emphasis made on gift giving coming from the chapter and not the individual's pocket.

ETA: My chapter had a rule that any gift giving outside of a note or something small like a bag of candy or a little stuffed animal had to be given off sorority property. I think this helped discourage "keeping up with the Jones'" and getting carried away with gift-giving so that one new member didn't feel like she got stiffed in comparison to another. I think it was a good idea and that the alumnae directors who supervise sorority programming should continue keeping an eye on budgets and being mindful of the tradition of gift-giving. New member sponsors aren't going anywhere anytime soon: they have been an integral part of the new member period for far too long to disappear in a hurry.

33girl · #6 10-02-2006, 11:16 AM

I completely agree with a spending cap on things for littles. It's not supposed to be about presents, it's supposed to be about the relationship.

AlphaFrog · #7 10-02-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I completely agree with a spending cap on things for littles. It's not supposed to be about presents, it's supposed to be about the relationship.

We not only had caps...we had specified items that the bigs purchased/made for littles. I think it was good, because no one felt left out because their big didn't get them as much as someone else's big.

lyrica9 · #8 10-03-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by adpiucf

ADPi's Diamond Sister program was formed with this intention. On paper, the Delta (initiated sister) sponsors the Alpha (new member) through her new member period as a personal mentor and guide to acclimate her to Greek Life and serve as her sponsor through ritual. All new member gifts, on paper, are to be budgeted through the chapter so that more women can serve in this sponsor role without assuming a financial burden. On paper, there are no "families" and the Diamond Sister relationship formally concludes with initiation.
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The Pride Program is a great concept-- rotating small groups to help members get to know one another better, serve on committees and support the chapter (IE. XYZ Pride takes on Task A, ABC Pride takes on Task B, etc...), but it's another system that really doesn't work well in practice when you have members who are already overprogrammed enough as it is with school, sorority and life. Getting together as a pride to bake cookies is sometimes just one more activity that can't be crammed in there-- it's like setting up a playgroup!

mmk.. from what i remember the diamond sister relationship is to continue after initiation, but you're right that a lot of people call them bigs/littles (i myself now have a great-great-grand litte, ack!).

and about the pride system, while good in theory, doesn't really exist anymore. the new leadership program which started the class coordinators system seemed to replace prides, and we're now supposed to do things with those groups.

ADqtPiMel · #9 10-03-2006, 06:58 AM

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mmk.. from what i remember the diamond sister relationship is to continue after initiation, but you're right that a lot of people call them bigs/littles (i myself now have a great-great-grand litte, ack!).

and about the pride system, while good in theory, doesn't really exist anymore. the new leadership program which started the class coordinators system seemed to replace prides, and we're now supposed to do things with those groups.

Adpiucf is correct that technically, the diamond sister relationship concludes at initiation - learned it at DLC two years ago from my DTD.

The pride and class coordinator systems are awesome in theory, but I was so unbelievably overprogrammed in college, I never had time to go to any events. And I was a very involved chapter member.

violetpretty · #10 10-02-2006, 11:29 AM

My Sigma Kappa family is very close, and it would be a shame for others to miss out on this experience. In addition to big/little, new members have heart sisters (like a bid day buddy, often someone they met during recruitment), Senior Shadows (so that Seniors aren't put on a pedestal), and some chapters even have recent alumnae mentors. At our last formal, our seniors had sisters (non-Seniors) read them letters saying good bye to them at formal.

I would have to agree with 33girl, that large chapters are inevitably going to get cliquey. I personally think that the answer is more mentoring programs instead of fewer, because new members branch out to more women in the chapter. If there were no big-little programs, I think that sororities would only get cliquier (is that a word?) because they'd be more divided by new member class since they aren't branching out to the rest of the chapter.

_Lisa_ · #11 10-02-2006, 02:37 PM

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In addition to big/little, new members have heart sisters (like a bid day buddy, often someone they met during recruitment), Senior Shadows (so that Seniors aren't put on a pedestal), and some chapters even have recent alumnae mentors.

I am just as close to my heart sister as I am to my big & my twiddle. I didn't have a Senior Shadow, but I love that idea.

Drolefille · #12 10-02-2006, 05:09 PM

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I am just as close to my heart sister as I am to my big & my twiddle. I didn't have a Senior Shadow, but I love that idea.

wait, you only have 1 heart sister? We had one a week until initiation.

FSUZeta · #13 10-02-2006, 05:29 PM

it seems to me that the chapter drama on jocelyn's campus should be dealt with as an internal problem, not a panhellenic problem, and should be handled internally, or at the most by their national office.

SoCalGirl · #14 10-02-2006, 06:22 PM

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wait, you only have 1 heart sister? We had one a week until initiation.

We had Heart Sis, Big Sis, and Violet Sis. I was closest to my Violet Sis's. I had one as a pledge and then had two as an Active.

I think I've also heard of Dove Sis's but not sure how they work.

When I was a collegiate my chapter had Sigma Sister of the Week. Each week you were randomly paired with another sister. At the next meeting the girls would brag about what they did with each other that week. The girls with the best activity/story won a prize.

With Big/Lil gifts my chapter always had a list of what the gifts were to be and also a budget. I always ended up over budget. There was one family that always seemed to have the sisters that could spend $2 on something but it would look like a million bucks because they were creative. So it's not always about money.

Emory Kappa · #15 10-02-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I believe KKG eliminated it, realized it was a horrible idea, and brought it back.

Around '98-'99 Kappa introduced Kore Groups, which are structured more like a family than a big sis- little sis relationship. Though I'm not involved on the chapter side, I believe there is still a similar type of organization in place.