Thailand WTF??

_Opi_ · #1 09-28-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

I agree that there are extremists in many religions. All one has to do is look at the Crusades, or the Salem Witch trials.... hence, why I'm not a fan of organized religion.

However, and maybe Opi can chime in here... what is one to think about Islam when the final words of Mohammed to his disciples was, "I was ordered to fight all men until they say, "There is no god but Allah."

and, in Qur'an :39 it says, "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." and "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief --non Muslims) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone."

and in Ishaq :587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak and faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violenty before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight unti our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

Perhaps I'm not reading these quotes correctly, but it doesn't seem like a faith of tolerance and peace. Opi.. could you please clarify?

I think you've been reading too much jihad watch. I've copied and pasted the passages you provided, and the top hits (by a few pages) are anti-Islamic websites. This is a redflag that you are going to all the wrong sites. So maybe that's the reason for this sad confusion about Islam. If you are still struggling with the concept of Islam, either a) talk to a practicing muslim b) talk to an Imam c) take a class at a local university. Your long rants are wasting my time.

blueangel · #2 09-28-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

I think you've been reading too much jihad watch. I've copied and pasted the passages you provided, and the top hits (by a few pages) are anti-Islamic websites. This a redflag that you are going to all the wrong sites. So maybe that's the reason for this sad confusion about Islam. If you are still struggling with the concept of Islam, either a) talk to a practicing muslim b) talk to an Imam c) take a class at a local university. You're long rants are wasting my time.

I'm a little confused... where are these alleged "long rants?" Why will you not answer my questions? Can you not explain these passages to me? Can you not explain what Muhammed meant in his last words to his disciples?

If you are not well studied in Islam, then perhaps someone else here of the Islamic faith would care to answer them?

valkyrie · #3 09-29-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

I'm a little confused... where are these alleged "long rants?" Why will you not answer my questions? Can you not explain these passages to me? Can you not explain what Muhammed meant in his last words to his disciples?

If you are not well studied in Islam, then perhaps someone else here of the Islamic faith would care to answer them?

There is no reason why she needs to defend or interpret anything about her religion on Greekchat. If you are truly interested in understanding Islam, I'm sure there are sources or experts you can consult.

_Opi_ · #4 09-29-2006, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

I'm a little confused... where are these alleged "long rants?" Why will you not answer my questions? Can you not explain these passages to me? Can you not explain what Muhammed meant in his last words to his disciples?

If you are not well studied in Islam, then perhaps someone else here of the Islamic faith would care to answer them?

I could answer your questions, but it should have been obvious to you that I chose not to. I am well-studied in Islam actually. One of the best classes I took was actually at my alma mater. I'm more than willing to share with you the contact info of the school, if you want... it might help you more than JihadWatch or anything you might get from a thread about THAILAND.

ETA: the last five posters have very good points. You should listen to them.

Tippiechick · #5 09-30-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

ETA: the last five posters have very good points. You should listen to them.

There are only 4 now. Methinks someone got mad over being reported themselves and asked that the post where I said I was reporting them be deleted.

Oh well. It's hard being a defender of the TOS

epchick · #6 09-30-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick

There are only 4 now. Methinks someone got mad over being reported themselves and asked that the post where I said I was reporting them be deleted.

Oh well. It's hard being a defender of the TOS

I was wondering why my post got mysteriously up to the top of the page, when it wasn't before.

highflyerlaura · #7 10-01-2006, 01:56 PM

The Thailand coup was largely the result of widespread corruption within the former Thai government, high crime levels outside of and in Bangkok, as well as the impact of their worsening economy on their social structure. I have family and friends who live in the area and they all say that the coup was a result of the above issues getting out of hand, not religion.