HIV testing - A standard part of your yearly physical

[GAC3710]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Without even getting into the rest of your post, which is commendable, I just want to address this part . . .

The market system for 'big pharma' almost ensures this isn't true - a patentable 'vaccine' or immediate treatment would make billions for the company that designed it, while demolishing the companies producing inhibitors. This would be 20 YEARS with no competition in the market, on a product every living human would willingly pay out the ass for - it makes too much sense, really.

Do you have any concrete evidence to prove this? Do you realize that not having a vaccine would ensure this virus will be with us for centuries, at least? That means "Big Pharma" will continue to make money on PIs for a very long time. Given that outside of the US most of the world's population cannot even afford current medication for HIV let alone even heard of health insurance, so how would "most people" be able to pay out of the ass? Without health Ins most people in the US would not be able to pay HIV meds now. My total med bills (alone) since finding out in Feb 06' have amounted to a little over $50,000. Without HI there would be no way I could have afforded all of that. The average cost of HIV meds is about $1,100-$1,500 a month for HIV meds alone (not including all the non-hiv meds you have to take) per person. How can you honestly believe a vaccine would make more money than meds for big pharma?

Here are few things you should read up on that may open your eyes to this epidemic, our government and big pharma(mainly Merk):

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/shadow.htm

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/pandemic.htm

http://discovery-experimental.com/aids/aids.htm

http://spiripathologyhealing.com/PR_...o_HIV_AIDS.htm

http://www.newaidsreview.org/posts/1140424088.shtml

http://aliveandwellsf.org/library

(This is about both the HIV/AIDS virus and West Nile)

http://www.whale.to/v/nile.html

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Do you have any concrete evidence to prove this? Do you realize that not having a vaccine would ensure this virus will be with us for centuries, at least? That means "Big Pharma" will continue to make money on PIs for a very long time. Given that outside of the US most of the world's population cannot even afford current medication for HIV let alone even heard of health insurance, so how would "most people" be able to pay out of the ass? Without health Ins most people in the US would not be able to pay HIV meds now. My total med bills (alone) since finding out in Feb 06' have amounted to a little over $50,000. Without HI there would be no way I could have afforded all of that. The average cost of HIV meds is about $1,100-$1,500 a month for HIV meds alone (not including all the non-hiv meds you have to take) per person. How can you honestly believe a vaccine would make more money than meds for big pharma?

Here are few things you should read up on that may open your eyes to this epidemic, our government and big pharma(mainly Merk):

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/shadow.htm

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/pandemic.htm

http://discovery-experimental.com/aids/aids.htm

http://spiripathologyhealing.com/PR_...o_HIV_AIDS.htm

http://www.newaidsreview.org/posts/1140424088.shtml

http://aliveandwellsf.org/library

(This is about both the HIV/AIDS virus and West Nile)

http://www.whale.to/v/nile.html

No disrespect, but a lot of what you post seems like conspiracy theory. I remember during "Bigger & Blacker" Chris Rock jokingly made the same argument as you about how big companies will never come up with a cure because there was no money in it that. If that’s the case then why is every big pharmaceutical company spending in the billions to research and come up with the cure?? I can ashore you that at the least in the short run a vaccine for AID's would make a lot more money then just meds. Also look at the fact that if they do come up with a vaccine more then likely it would be short supplied anyway (such as penicillin). Even if that wasn't the case you sometimes have to realize that not everything is about money. If a company would do something such as that it would be looked down on as extremely unethical. The people who run these researches are people just like you and me, and best believe a lot of folks have all this money invested because they hope on saving themselves or a loved one. I can see people withholding a vaccine for some things, but one for AID's would be hard to withhold especially since it's something everybody seems to be looking for. Can you even imagine what the reproductions would be if someone was caught withholding a vaccine for HIV??? That would be the scandal of the century.

It was funny when Chris Rock made a joke stating they would never cure AID's, but that was a joke and nothing more

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

AID's

What does AID possess?

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

What does AID possess?

I don't know, but I can ashore you that you're in for some serious reproductions for questioning it.

(sorry, I couldn't help myself)

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

What does AID possess?

AID's and HIV are like saying potato (USA) and potato (UK) to me. I know the difference, but I think it’s something a lot of people do.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

AID's and HIV are like saying potato (USA) and potato (UK) to me. I know the difference, but I think it’s something a lot of people do.

What?!

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

What?!

I was saying that I had used the to words lose and nterchangeably. Not to hard to grasp.

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I still don't understand the point you're trying to make. I'm really trying to understand your point but I can't seem to figure it out.....and cites don't really change that.

I wasn't trying to make a point, as you asked I was trying to site. I couldn't find the case that I needed so I sites a couple similer cases. Get it??

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

I was saying that I had used the to words lose and nterchangeably. Not to hard to grasp.

You didn't understand my question -- I was asking why you keep putting an apostrophe in AIDS. It's AIDS, not AID's.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

As you asked I was trying to site. I couldn't find the case that I needed so I sites a couple similer cases. Get it??

No, that's not what I was asking. I read through this whole thread again and your argument seems to be that any and all persons who infect others with HIV should be charged with a crime for infecting person X and every other person that person X infects? Is this what you're saying? I want to know your point. Get my question now???

[GAC3710]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

No disrespect, but a lot of what you post seems like conspiracy theory. I remember during "Bigger & Blacker" Chris Rock jokingly made the same argument as you about how big companies will never come up with a cure because there was no money in it that. If that’s the case then why is every big pharmaceutical company spending in the billions to research and come up with the cure?? I can ashore you that at the least in the short run a vaccine for AID's would make a lot more money then just meds. Also look at the fact that if they do come up with a vaccine more then likely it would be short supplied anyway (such as penicillin). Even if that wasn't the case you sometimes have to realize that not everything is about money. If a company would do something such as that it would be looked down on as extremely unethical. The people who run these researches are people just like you and me, and best believe a lot of folks have all this money invested because they hope on saving themselves or a loved one. I can see people withholding a vaccine for some things, but one for AID's would be hard to withhold especially since it's something everybody seems to be looking for. Can you even imagine what the reproductions would be if someone was caught withholding a vaccine for HIV??? That would be the scandal of the century.

It was funny when Chris Rock made a joke stating they would never cure AID's, but that was a joke and nothing more

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

I'm really not sure what to think -- but I wouldn't be shocked if at least some of this is true.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

fyi, there's a vaccine for herpes that is still in Stage III of clinical trials. Other than that I don't know if what you are saying it true, but nothing surprises me these days.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

fyi, there's a vaccine for herpes that is still in Stage III of clinical trials. Other than that I don't know if what you are saying it true, but nothing surprises me these days.

I'm going to ditto that. They were testing it at my University (their med school research dept that is.)

And as for curing cancer... do you know how hard it is to get the body to kill it's own cells gone mad? Cancer is not an external disease (HPV is one of the rare exceptions where a virus is directly linked to cancer) You get cancer because the toxins in, say, cigarettes, cause your body's cells to malfunction.

Alzheimers appears to work similarly. It's a malfunction of your own brain cells. Organic diseases like this are much more difficult to deal with than ones caused by bacteria, virii, or fungi.

And if you not knowing a member of the military who suffers from colds is not statistically significant. Show me a study that says military personnel suffer from fewer colds and we can start talking.

/of course, THAT is covered up too I'm sure.

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

If it's not a big conspiracy theory then why isn't the media getting on this one?? Why haven't I even heard this stated as a theory in my Natural Resources class??

What you have to realize is that man didn't create the world; man doesn't have all the answers. Diseases have plagued life since the beginning of time, and no matter how far man advances there will always be a killer disease out there. Be it the Cold, small pox, the black plague, AIDS. Hopefully one day in my time we will have found the cure for AIDS, but even today you don't even see the rare case where somebody has been cured for AIDS and they cant replicate that finding, therefore I can only look at your theory as a conspiracy theory.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

Why haven't I even heard this stated as a theory in my Natural Resources class??

So if it's not in your Natural Resources class it's not true? This is SO proof of the theory that there's nothing more dangerous than someone with a little bit of information.