BGLO and GLO

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

There is nothing saying you are not right.

But why isnt there more HBGLOs on Camupuses?

With the presence there, would it not give the chance to join a HBGLO? If it or they isn't there, then it doesn't does it?

My School has one only HBGLO, while I was there, it had four, two Male and two Female, now, only one Fraternity.

So, I want to know why is that?

Whose fault is it?

This reflects a difference in culture between HWGLOs and HBGLOs. The latter typically don't "colonize," that is, do on a campus to stir up interest to start a chapter. It usually starts with an interest group on campus that reaches out to the org. There is the idea, deeply ingrained in HBGLOs, that you don't recruit. The rush process is looked upon with disdain in D0 circles,as being akin to a cattle call and more like a mass marketing campaign whish ends up with lukewarm members who quit and de-pledge if they don't like someone or something in the group, like it's a junior high social club. In BGLOs, as perceptions and expectations go, to consider "pledging" is a very serious matter, akin to getting married or making a religious commitment. And frankly,many are scared to do so. The fact that in many places chapter sizes are small is interpreted as sign of selctivity and the difficulty of attaining membership.

Of course this is a sterotype but in all stereotypes there's a grain of truth,and sometimes more than that. The point I want to make is that caucasian members of HWGLOs should allow themselves the opportunity to think outside of their frame of reference in order to drop the unwitting cultural superiority of their take on Greekdom. You may learn something helpful;and, by the way, I do think this goes the other way to.


It interests me that I don't hear the question posed the other way around:in an era of cultural pluralism where there are no "HWGLOs" and everyone should be free to join whatever GLO they want without fear of social intimidation by peers,etc., why don't more whites pledge HBGLOs? Why is that?

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

It interests me that I don't hear the question posed the other way around:in an era of cultural pluralism where there are no "HWGLOs" and everyone should be free to join whatever GLO they want without fear of social intimidation by peers,etc., why don't more whites pledge HBGLOs? Why is that?

If the organization is not reaching out and "recruiting" them, then how would they know that they would be wanted as members?

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

If the organization is not reaching out and "recruiting" them, then how would they know that they would be wanted as members?

Because NPHC orgs don't "recruit".

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

Because NPHC orgs don't "recruit".

Again, back to the question that I answered: how would they know they could join if no one was asking them to? That's most likely why more "white" (cringes at using that label) people don't join traditionally African American GLOs.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Again, back to the question that I answered: how would they know they could join if no one was asking them to? That's most likely why more "white" (cringes at using that label) people don't join traditionally African American GLOs.

But the thing is, we're not hurting for members. And we aren't having emergency meetings to solve the crisis of why their aren't more White members. The fact of the matter is that one of the reasons why NPHC orgs were founded was to better and uplift the African-American community. Do you know a lot of White people who are devoted to that cause?

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

But the thing is, we're not hurting for members. And we aren't having emergency meetings to solve the crisis of why their aren't more White members. The fact of the matter is that one of the reasons why NPHC orgs were founded was to better and uplift the African-American community. Do you know a lot of White people who are devoted to that cause?

Yes, I actually do know a lot of "white" people that are dedicated to the cause of uplifting African American communities. I worked for a group called the "Breakthrough Collaborative," (http://www.summerbridge.org/) where high schoolers and college students (of ALL races, creeds, and backgrounds) taught in high-need communities and encouraged students in these areas (predominantly African Americans) to stay in school to better themselves, as well as help others in their own communities through service in their own cities and towns.

Also, who said that any one was having emergency meetings about not having more minority members? I also didn't hear any one saying they were hurting for members, either--I know my own organization has over 180,000 members.

I am not speaking for my entire GLO, I am only stating my own opinion--I wish that some of the women I knew in college would have joined my organization despite it's not being a traditionally "Black" GLO.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Yes, I actually do know a lot of "white" people that are dedicated to the cause of uplifting African American communities. I worked for a group called the "Breakthrough Collaborative," (http://www.summerbridge.org/) where high schoolers and college students (of ALL races, creeds, and backgrounds) taught in high-need communities and encouraged students in these areas (predominantly African Americans) to stay in school to better themselves, as well as help others in their own communities through service in their own cities and towns.

Also, who said that any one was having emergency meetings about not having more minority members? I also didn't hear any one saying they were hurting for members, either--I know my own organization has over 180,000 members.

I am not speaking for my entire GLO, I am only stating my own opinion--I wish that some of the women I knew in college would have joined my organization despite it's not being a traditionally "Black" GLO.

That's cute, but there's a lot more to being devoted to uplifting the African-American community than giving kids the "stay in school" speech.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Yes, I actually do know a lot of "white" people that are dedicated to the cause of uplifting African American communities. I worked for a group called the "Breakthrough Collaborative," (http://www.summerbridge.org/) where high schoolers and college students (of ALL races, creeds, and backgrounds) taught in high-need communities and encouraged students in these areas (predominantly African Americans) to stay in school to better themselves, as well as help others in their own communities through service in their own cities and towns.

And alot of the whites in that organization would prefer to be surrounded by other whites outside of their service projects, hence why many of them have or will join a nonBGLO.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

cringes at using that label

what do you propose?

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by starang21

what do you propose?

I don't propose anything--I simply don't like labels, in general. I don't think the words "white" and "black" fully encompass all that people are.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I don't propose anything--I simply don't like labels, in general. I don't think the words "white" and "black" fully encompass all that people are.

ok.

now i'm confused as to the point you're trying to make. are you saying that everyone should recruit everyone and we should be all one big happy family?

[KAY10]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I don't propose anything--I simply don't like labels, in general. I don't think the words "white" and "black" fully encompass all that people are.

Kappa Delta you sound very intelligent and a lot of the things you say make so much sense, and I think it's great you don't label but most people are always going to label. Sad but that's the way this country has always been. People here will always see color and label.

[KAY10]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Again, back to the question that I answered: how would they know they could join if no one was asking them to? That's most likely why more "white" (cringes at using that label) people don't join traditionally African American GLOs.

They don't know. That's the chance they take. When I went to the interest meeting for Kappa there were 219 guys there. 7 of us got picked to pledge, 1 dropped out and 6 of us made it in. BGLOs are hard to get into, at least they were on my campus.

[KAY10]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

Because NPHC orgs don't "recruit".

LOL

[PhrozenGod01]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

If the organization is not reaching out and "recruiting" them, then how would they know that they would be wanted as members?

It's kind of a two way street. The aspirant has to want the org just as much as the org wants the aspirant. I actually went through the IFC rush process at my school (very informal, lots of debauchery involved) and soon came to realize that there didn't seem to be anything personal that was wanted out of me besides raising the number of people in the pledge class and getting a fat check for my membership. Some of the orgs were full of good guys, but I'm not too sure if they knew I was a good guy. Before being given the priveledge of trying to become an Alpha, I learned that I had to seek out membership. The bruhs were going to be there, but they were only going to help me if I was willing to help myself in the process. That's the way they treat everybody, regardles of race.