Graduate Student and AI

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I do see a problem with bringing in a "ton" of these women. Part of the bond shared by sorority sisters comes from common collegiate experiences. If we water that down to where a "ton" of alumnae do not have that experience, much of that common bond would be lost.

But different chapters have different collegiate experiences anyway.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

So there's no way for me to tell if the complaint was actually legitimate?

Unless it was your post, why would you be concerned?

[SoCalGirl]

Yes, but they all experience rush/recruitment, big/lil sis, and all the drama that comes from being a collegiate sorority member.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Yes, but they all experience rush/recruitment, big/lil sis, and all the drama that comes from being a collegiate sorority member.

Sure, but not every alum would have gone through rush/recruitment the same way. One could have never gone through formal (i.e. the only formal experience she would have had was from "the other side" if at all...our Alpha Eta chapter at Dalhousie (and other Halifax area universities) is the only NPC group on campus. Their Alpha Gam experience would likely be different from a school with formal.), and "drama" will depend on the chapter. Just sayin'

[Jen]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Unless it was your post, why would you be concerned?

From all the talk in the thread I was under the impression it was a big issue that should concern everyone. Not to mention it is an issue of free speech, which concerns me and everyone who posts on GC. One person's "hateful" is another person's legitimate opinion, and as a poster here, it's useful to see these controversial statements so we can judge for ourselves.

[Jen]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Sure, but not every alum would have gone through rush/recruitment the same way. One could have never gone through formal (i.e. the only formal experience she would have had was from "the other side), and "drama" will depend on the chapter. Just sayin'

In my particular chapter, almost every alum member was in the same collegiate chapter, most know each other or were in the chapter at the same time together, or have advised for years etc. And of course all of that is a connection I don't share.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Sure, but not every alum would have gone through rush/recruitment the same way. One could have never gone through formal (i.e. the only formal experience she would have had was from "the other side" if at all...our Alpha Eta chapter at Dalhousie (and other Halifax area universities) is the only NPC group on campus. Their Alpha Gam experience would likely be different from a school with formal.), and "drama" will depend on the chapter. Just sayin'

I know not all chapters have the same type of recruitment. My feeling was more along the line of collegiate members who have dealt with the stress of recruiting new members. Also while specific drama will depend on the chapter I feel nearly all chapters across the board deal with similar types of drama that non-sorority members don't deal with while collegians.

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Sure, but not every alum would have gone through rush/recruitment the same way. One could have never gone through formal (i.e. the only formal experience she would have had was from "the other side" if at all...our Alpha Eta chapter at Dalhousie (and other Halifax area universities) is the only NPC group on campus. Their Alpha Gam experience would likely be different from a school with formal.), and "drama" will depend on the chapter. Just sayin'

Hawaii is like that as well, being the only NPC on campus.

Auburn, Berkeley, 'Bama, UCLA, Illinois, Oregon State, Michigan State -- just some of the campuses represented by our alumnae, and obviously different collegiate environments than the one I went through.

We also have a big group of AIs initiated when my chapter was installed in 1992.

So yes, not everyone goes through the same collegiate experience.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

In my particular chapter, almost every alum member was in the same collegiate chapter, most know each other or were in the chapter at the same time together, or have advised for years etc. And of course all of that is a connection I don't share.

I see. For my alumnae chapter, of all the women who are VERY involved, there are women from Alpha Eta (Dal/Halifax-area schools), Delta Nu (U of Calgary), Zeta Chi (Western). Of course, there are many Tau alumnae too. But it seems that many of the women who're really involved are NOT from Tau.

[PenguinTrax]

It is up to the moderators to determine what violates a TOS violation. It is a waste of everyone's time to argue over who is more in violation than someone else. From where I sit, all of you need to find something better to do with your time, like keeping the discussion on topic.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

From all the talk in the thread I was under the impression it was a big issue that should concern everyone. Not to mention it is an issue of free speech, which concerns me and everyone who posts on GC. One person's "hateful" is another person's legitimate opinion, and as a poster here, it's useful to see these controversial statements so we can judge for ourselves.

Right or wrong, like it or not.. free speech does not apply to internet message boards. The owner of the board makes the rules and enforces them or appoints deputies who are charged with enforcing them. Think of it as being a guest in John's living room. If he doesn't like your behavior, he can ask you to stop, and he can make you leave his house.

Even if an internet chat board was a democracy, in the U.S, at least, there are still rules governing "libel." Infact, people have successfully sued for libel on the internet.

http://www.wave.net/immigration/lawyer/libel.html

Here are more recent cases:

http://www.phillipsnizer.com/library...mation_cda.cfm

[PenguinTrax]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

So there's no way for me to tell if the complaint was actually legitimate?

If a moderator deleted the post, then it was deemed legitmate. For the record, I don't delete every reported post, sometimes I edit them or request the original poster to do so.

I recommend everyone take a break and review the TOS for the Recruitment Forums:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/announcement.php?f=27

[UGAalum94]

I'm trying to stay on topic for once.

Differences in college experience are quite pronounced, and that's why Scarleteriberry's situation is complicated, and why I suppose she's asking for advice here.

At Georgia State, for example, the average age of undergraduates is older than many colleges. It has a large non-traditional student population. I don't know if this is reflected in the area of Greek Life or not.

If it is, and many of the undergraduate members are in fact older than those at more traditional campuses, I can see how a young graduate school student could fit in completely in the chapter. The Greek Life office and the undergraduate chapters are going to best understand their policies.

But if the members of the active chapter encouraged you to do AI, I think that's a great direction to go in. You can work with a young alumnae group.

I understand that with AI you do a lot of waiting and seeing, but perhaps if you stay in contact with the active undergraduate chapter, you can stay more in the loop.

As far as having too many AI in an alumnae chapter, isn't it really the ideals of the group that need to be shared at that age anyway? Who cares if you shared the same undergraduate experience or not when your 35 as long as you're interested in supporting the philanthropy and living out the creed, purpose, symphony, etc?

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Right or wrong, like it or not.. free speech does not apply to internet message boards. The owner of the board makes the rules and enforces them or appoints deputies who are charged with enforcing them. Think of it as being a guest in John's living room. If he doesn't like your behavior, he can ask you to stop, and he can make you leave his house.

Even if an internet chat board was a democracy, in the U.S, at least, there are still rules governing "libel." Infact, people have successfully sued for libel on the internet.

http://www.wave.net/immigration/lawyer/libel.html

Here are more recent cases:

http://www.phillipsnizer.com/library...mation_cda.cfm

Actually, free speech does apply to internet message boards. Obviously you haven't checked the Bill of Rights lately. Yes, TOS does prohibit racist, obscene etc. messages, but nothing you're complaining about can be considered a violation of TOS. Plus those sorts of posts are not protected by the first amendment.
Here, let me help you out with a handy dandy link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution

As for libel-libel is a civil suit, extremely difficult to prove and many cases are usually dismissed. Anything said here is opinion, and for that reason alone you cannot take anyone down for libel. It's been done, but it's so hard to do it's basically impossible unless you have an extremely strong case.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

[UGAalum94]

As I understand it, people can be banned from Greek Chat; it's not an entirely public forum. It's also not an agent of any form of government. SO, restricting your speech on Greek Chat is not a Constitutional issue.

You aren't entitled to use someone else's platform to express your opinion. (and, those sort of offensive posts that you mention, ARE protected by the Constitution, except for some rare exceptions like "fighting words," "imminent threat," etc. Congress can make no law that abridges your right to say racist or sexist things, but that still doesn't mean you get to do it on Greek Chat)

You also may want to check your understanding of libel. Qualifying something as your opinion wouldn't be a solid defense.

Anyhoo, what the point of posting answers that, in addition to being unhelpful (as, I confess, many of mine are), are insulting to the person asking for help?