PAC -10 Suspends Officials For Calls in Oklahoma Game

[Kevin]

Last year, the PAC-10 officials overturned two turnovers which would have probably changed the outcome (the score at the very least) of the UCLA game. Stoops has asked Castiglione (the AD) to cancel the Washington game if the PAC-10 doesn't change its rules to match the rest of the conferences regarding bringing your own officials to away games.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't know what you mean by no TV coverage in the Big XII, oh well.

Oh - I wasn't taking a cut at Big XII teams here, just that the Big XII signed a pretty bad TV contract a while back, which doesn't put every game on regional coverage (because it's slanted toward much wider coverage of important games, read: Texas teams minus Baylor) . . . this means that some of the teams had to pay for video for their non-conference games, even though it wouldn't be on TV, purely for replay purposes. AFAIK, this is the last year of that tragic deal, and they'll be making much more per team with future deals.

Originally Posted by macallan25

So why couldn't they play the ABC feeds with no sound? Pretty sure you didn't need any to get that call right.

When I say "feed" I mean the literal feed to the viewer, as dictated by the production trailer - they do have access to most (if not all) camera angles. This actually was part of the problem in the Oregon case, if I'm reading correctly - the two angles that were clear (and they were VERY clear) were the ones that didn't come in before the HJ asked for a ruling, and he couldn't slog through the others fast enough.

Either way, there's no doubt OU got jobbed here - I just don't think it was intentional. PAC-10 officials may very well suck on the whole, but in this case it just seems like a confluence of shitty events for the Sooners. No way the record can be changed, though - that would be a terrible precedent.

[shinerbock]

The absolute only case when a game should be overturned or negated is when the final call which ACTUALLY decides the game is completely blown. I'm talking when a field goal is good and they say its not, or when somebody is in/out of bounds on the last play in the endzone...I don't think there should be any debate in the OU case, the call was bad, but the bad call led to a drive that won the game. Game deciding yes, but the conclusion was still drawn on inferences.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Kevin

They get paid for the services they provide.

I agree with her completely.

I agree as well with this exception. (And maybe it's just the way I read her post)

While they are paid, and should do the job right, this is not the way they make a living. This is done in addition to their main jobs.

A lot is expected in terms of study and proficiency for a very part time job, done only several weekends a year.

I don't believe that there was anything sinister in this case -- just a real bad call under less than ideal circumstances.

The truth is, that given the very few opportunities to perform these tasks, I'm pretty impressed that there aren't a lot more really bad situations. "To err is human"...etc.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I don't believe that there was anything sinister in this case -- just a real bad call under less than ideal circumstances... "To err is human"...etc.

I agree. This is why I feel like the OU President has gone too far in his requests. If the call was made intentionally to blow the game, then I think a case could be made for "firing" the officials involved. But since the mistake was indeed a mistake, I personally believe the officials' punishment is fair. And as for the request for the game results to be removed from the records, that's just asking for a domino effect with potentially worse repurcussions for OU (and every other D1 team) than keeping the stat on record.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... it really is a shame that the call influenced the outcome of the game, and I know there's a LOT at stake for OU. But, game outcomes can't just be ignored, regardless of how bad the officiating might have been. And for Boren to ask that the officials be suspended for the year, that just sounds like someone who is trying to flaunt his power and position. That might not be what he's doing, but it seems like it. Surely he's made a mistake somewhere during his professional career that affected someone else. Situations like this call for understanding.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

But, game outcomes can't just be ignored, regardless of how bad the officiating might have been.

It's one thing to lose to a better team, it is quite another to have the game stolen out from under you by officials.

[shinerbock]

Happens every year. Sometimes you benefit, other times you don't.

[xowest]

The game was not stolen. Yes, there was a bad call. However, Oklahoma could have won the game by not letting Oregon score and get in a position for an on-side kick, not letting Oregon score after the on-side kick or by simply making the field goal at the end of the game.

Stoops is lucky that the bad call has taken the focus off his coaching. It was totally unexplainable to run AP with no timeouts left and 17 seconds on the clock, when a short pass would have made the kick a gimme' or an incompletion would have stopped the clock.

[AznSAE]

i wont matter anyways. oklahoma will lose to texas and possibly to oklahoma state.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by xowest

The game was not stolen. Yes, there was a bad call. However, Oklahoma could have won the game by not letting Oregon score and get in a position for an on-side kick, not letting Oregon score after the on-side kick or by simply making the field goal at the end of the game.

Stoops is lucky that the bad call has taken the focus off his coaching. It was totally unexplainable to run AP with no timeouts left and 17 seconds on the clock, when a short pass would have made the kick a gimme' or an incompletion would have stopped the clock.

Yeah, I disagree with you,

1.) Stoops and the Offensive Coordinator made the right call. The clock starts when the ball is placed......so it was actually smarter to run the ball, try to gain some yards, and then spike it......rather than try to throw the ball, which eats up clock time, and risk having the ball dropped or intercepted. If the pass was dropped there would have only been enough time to kick a field goal.......from around 50 something yards rather than the 44 yarder they got after the run.

2.) The game was stolen. Plain and Simple. You can't blame a defense for losing a game after they made two very good defensive plays and were completely screwed. It seems you forgot about the blown pass interference call....that set up Oregon inside the 20 after the onside kick fiasco.

3.) It doesn't matter what happend before the onsides kick. Oregon scored, bid deal. OU was still up by 6 with, what?, a minute left? I mean, by this reasoning you could go ahead and say that none of the calls would have mattered if OU had held Oregon scoreless all day. C'mon you're smarter than that.

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by xowest

Stoops is lucky that the bad call has taken the focus off his coaching.

Every college program should be so lucky as to have a coach as terrible as Bob Stoops

i wont matter anyways. oklahoma will lose to texas and possibly to oklahoma state.

Being an Oklahome State grad I just have to say "I wish, but I am not all that hopefull" We'll see how well we play when it's not against teams that have combined to win 2 games so far.

I think Oklahoma is just going to have to move on. I do not think it's unreasonable to ask that the officials be suspended for the rest of the season, because it may be that the officials have effectively suspended Oklahoma's season (this, obviously in week 3, remains to be seen). I agree that it is egregious, but asking a game to be removed from the record is ridiculous. President Boren has done a great deal of good for OU, but that just makes him sound silly.

Last, I think this is the funniest quote I've seen in this whole debacle:
"Put that Pac-10 crew on the Warren Commission and they would conclude insufficient evidence to show that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald." From an Oklahoma channel 9 news story.

[ThetaLove]

Originally Posted by The1calledTKE

I am surprised no one has mentioned the controversial call in the LSU/Auburn game.

controversial CALLS. More than just one. I'm proud of the Pac-10 for at least admitting they screwed up. That's more than the SEC did. I never thought I would respect the Pac-10 more than the SEC and I do.
(sorry if that offends some)


OF COURSE there will be issues with plays in a game, sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. That is the nature of the game. Sometimes it affects the outcome of the game, other times it doesn't. But to have numerous calls in Auburn's favor is what disgusted me. I am not normally a fan that gets all in a huff over one bad call, but this was a disgrace.

[shinerbock]

The difference is, that the call in the Oregon-OU game was blown, while the main call in the Auburn LSU game was not. The only thing LSU can say about that play is that they should have called defensive holding, if that. The ball was deflected, it was uncatchable. If LSU had gotten a call and gone on to score, the same thing would have been coming at LSU, considering they would have won the game because of a penalty that had no impact on the actual play.