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Old 09-19-2006, 02:00 PM
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It's far more effective to cooperate with the cop and let his boss ream him out when they find out who your daddy is, anyway.
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:14 PM
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It's far more effective to cooperate with the cop and let his boss ream him out when they find out who your daddy is, anyway.
First part I agree with and the second part may depend on where you are, size of police force, type of department et al....In New York State, the husband of a candidate for AG has been pulled over several time by patrol units....and if they are doing it more than once: the guy has problems driving and the troopers are not being told to stop doing their jobs.....

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Old 09-19-2006, 02:18 PM
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It's far more effective to cooperate with the cop and let his boss ream him out when they find out who your daddy is, anyway.
Personally, I think most cops are power tripping assholes and deserve to get somewhat embarassed in public. Obviously, this is from my own experience.......but I just think it is far more pleasurable to actually see the cop get told over the phone or in person that there isn't a damn thing he can do and that it would be in his best interest to simply let me go.

It is even more hilarious when you have someone like the Chief of Police or the Smith County Sheriff on speed dial in your cell phone.....and get them to tell the unfortunate officer these things.

true story.
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:31 PM
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Personally, I think most cops are power tripping assholes and deserve to get somewhat embarassed in public. Obviously, this is from my own experience.......but I just think it is far more pleasurable to actually see the cop get told over the phone or in person that there isn't a damn thing he can do and that it would be in his best interest to simply let me go.

It is even more hilarious when you have someone like the Chief of Police of the Smith County Sheriff on speed dial in your cell phone.....and get them to tell the unfortunate officer these things.

true story.
My true story is that I have NEVER met or known any officer who seemed to be a "power tripping asshole' (and by your own posting that would also include the Chief of Police of Smith County [would that not be the Sheriff of Smith County himself?])

My parents brought me up to respect Officers and other public servents.
As I posted before, if one put themselves in the positon that the officer is in and treats them as one would like to be treated, matters generaly come out rather well.

But that is just my POV based upon my experiences.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:04 PM
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My true story is that I have NEVER met or known any officer who seemed to be a "power tripping asshole' (and by your own posting that would also include the Chief of Police of Smith County [would that not be the Sheriff of Smith County himself?])

My parents brought me up to respect Officers and other public servents.
As I posted before, if one put themselves in the positon that the officer is in and treats them as one would like to be treated, matters generaly come out rather well.

But that is just my POV based upon my experiences.

Yeah, you are right about the Sheriff/Chief of Police thing....I dunno what I was typing.

I never said I would treat an officer or public servant with disrespect, of course I wouldn't. Do I think, in my own experiences, that cops are tremendous assholes? Yeah.....especially in Austin and my hometown.

....I am going to take advantage of my resources though if it can get me out of trouble. I really have not ever been in a bad situation....but there have been a couple times where knowing people has helped out and helped others out.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:18 PM
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Yeah, you are right about the Sheriff/Chief of Police thing....I dunno what I was typing.

I never said I would treat an officer or public servant with disrespect, of course I wouldn't. Do I think, in my own experiences, that cops are tremendous assholes? Yeah.....especially in Austin and my hometown.

....I am going to take advantage of my resources though if it can get me out of trouble. I really have not ever been in a bad situation....but there have been a couple times where knowing people has helped out and helped others out.
LOL-Mac' I understand all to well just how brain and fingers do not work as a team some times ...no fear there.

A question for you as my path has never been crossed by any Texan peace officer:
How can it be that the street cop, patrol officer who is the power hungry asshole for doing his job while his/her Boss is not? Yes, that is a trick question that does not need to be answered. Perhaps the street officers have 'learned' to handle matters because of the situations that they are put in?

And I was, a few years ago, in a situation that by all rights I should have been cuffed and placed in jail and my car impounded. but following what I have posted above, got the matter worked out the next day with TPTB without all of that happening. And yes, the patrol officer did call his shift supervisor into the matter.

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Old 09-20-2006, 12:52 PM
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Yeah, you are right about the Sheriff/Chief of Police thing....I dunno what I was typing.

I never said I would treat an officer or public servant with disrespect, of course I wouldn't. Do I think, in my own experiences, that cops are tremendous assholes? Yeah.....especially in Austin and my hometown.

....I am going to take advantage of my resources though if it can get me out of trouble. I really have not ever been in a bad situation....but there have been a couple times where knowing people has helped out and helped others out.
Just found this story on my home page. Shows what can happen when one tries to throw ones weight around:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/ny...=1&oref=slogin
Police Official Again Rebuked for Altercation at a Rest Stop
By JONATHAN MILLER
Published: September 20, 2006
HACKENSACK, N.J., Sept. 19 — For Garry F. McCarthy, the nominee for Newark police director, the trouble began last year with a parking infraction at a rest stop on the Palisades Interstate Parkway. It spiraled into a wrangle — part wrestling match and part shouting match — that led to his arrest and handcuffing.
On Tuesday, a Superior Court judge here added another chapter in this tale of officer versus officer when he rejected Mr. McCarthy’s attempt to dismiss his conviction on the parking matter. He instead scolded Mr. McCarthy — a deputy police commissioner in New York City — with “extraordinarily poor judgment.”
In a stinging rebuke, the judge, Patrick J. Roma, in Superior Court in Bergen County, also wrote that Mr. McCarthy’s objective in confronting the officers was to “throw his weight around” and to try to win “special consideration” for his 18-year-old daughter, who had been given a ticket at the rest stop.
Neither Mr. McCarthy, 47, nor his lawyer returned calls for comment on Tuesday. But last week, outside the court here, Mr. McCarthy said: “I’m concerned about nothing. If you do nothing wrong, or unethical, you should not worry.”
Earlier this month, Mr. McCarthy was nominated by Mayor Cory Booker of Newark to become the next director of police there. Last week, Mr. McCarthy dismissed any concerns, saying, “It will not affect my job performance.”
In a statement, Mr. Booker said: “I stand firmly behind my decision to appoint Mr. Garry McCarthy as the police director. I have faith and confidence in McCarthy and his ability to effectively carry out the duties of his job.”
The incident, in February 2005, came after a night in which the McCarthy family had been to a restaurant in Manhattan and had been heading to their home in West Nyack, N.Y., with Mr. McCarthy and his wife in one car and their two daughters in another. The two teenage daughters pulled into a rest stop on the Palisades Interstate Parkway in New Jersey. After the police gave them a ticket for parking in a spot for the handicapped, one of the daughters called her father.
Mr. McCarthy headed straight for the rest stop, got out of his car and confronted the parkway police. A shouting match ensued between Mr. McCarthy and the officers. One officer handcuffed Mr. McCarthy, and another grabbed the 9 millimeter handgun from his waistband and put it on the passenger seat of the officers’ car. (Mr. McCarthy says the gun was thrown.)
The officers later said that they had smelled alcohol on his breath. Mr. McCarthy said he had had two glasses of wine.
As this was happening, the police said, Mr. McCarthy’s wife, Regina, began shouting obscenities, got out of her car and grabbed the gun in the officers’ car. She was wrestled to the ground by one of the officers and was eventually handcuffed.
In the end, Mr. McCarthy was charged with illegally obstructing traffic and his wife with “unreasonable noise.” In March, a judge in Hackensack found both guilty and ordered them each to pay a $200 fine for their offenses, plus a $30 court cost, which the couple appealed.
Mr. McCarthy had criticized the parkway police for their actions that night, telling The Star-Ledger earlier this month that he learned a lesson from that night on “how not to run a police agency.” When asked about that statement, Mr. McCarthy responded tersely: “It’s not what I believe. It’s a fact.”
Mr. McCarthy and his lawyer have accused the officers of lying about the case and producing identical incident reports. The chief of the parkway police was not available for comment on Tuesday.
But in his written opinion, Judge Roma dismissed Mr. McCarthy’s claims about the credibility of the officers, writing that “it appears clear to this Court that Mr. McCarthy’s sole purpose in confronting PIPC officers was to ‘throw his weight around’ and to obtain special consideration for a high ranking police official. In summary, he turned a garden variety parking ticket into a melee.”
The judge concluded that Mr. McCarthy had initiated the confrontation and that “Mr. McCarthy showed extraordinarily poor judgment in the situation.
“This matter could have been avoided, especially by someone who is expected to lead a law enforcement agency.”
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Old 09-20-2006, 01:24 PM
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When did I say anything bout throwing my weight around? I don't think yelling at a police officer, wrestling with him, and involving a handgun is even close to calling someone with some "pull" as a way to avoid getting in trouble.
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Old 09-20-2006, 01:37 PM
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When did I say anything bout throwing my weight around? I don't think yelling at a police officer, wrestling with him, and involving a handgun is even close to calling someone with some "pull" as a way to avoid getting in trouble.
Your making a call was throwing weight/connections around.

Your phone call caused someone to "throw their weight around".
Or rather as a result of your phone call, someone throw their weight around.

Thought of two other question for you:
1) Do you remember the “beat cop”/patrol officer that you dropped the dime on? It would not surprise me if he remembers you. And in a few years, he will have gone through a few promotions and will be a “boss”. What happens if he gets involve when you get pulled over again?

2) A few years from now, another 17, 19, or 21 year old driver gets pulled over and also gets a wave by because he too knows someone. He continues driving and has an accident that he walks away from. But two others are dead. Your wife, your child. How would you feel then about wave bys?

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Old 09-19-2006, 02:39 PM
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Personally, I think most cops are power tripping assholes and deserve to get somewhat embarassed in public.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that most adults who can't handle a situation without calling daddy are the power tripping assholes who deserve to get somewhat embarrassed in public.
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:48 PM
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that most adults who can't handle a situation without calling daddy are the power tripping assholes who deserve to get somewhat embarrassed in public.
Very true-would agree with your POV.
One would also have to wonder about ethics, public trust and laws being broken as well.......
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:00 PM
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that most adults who can't handle a situation without calling daddy are the power tripping assholes who deserve to get somewhat embarrassed in public.

You're making it sound like i'm 30 years old or something.


I guess I have the liberty/ability to avoid being "embarassed" in public.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:01 PM
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You're making it sound like i'm 30 years old or something.
So, you're saying you're not an adult? You're over 18 aren't you?
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:08 PM
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So, you're saying you're not an adult? You're over 18 aren't you?
No, I didn't say i'm not an adult. I'm 21, still in undergrad, and am still supported by my parents. I am perfectly capable of handling a situation.....but when I can make a phone call to someone that has a large amount of "pull" I am going to do it.

Obviously when I graduate and am on my own, things will be different.
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