Clearing the Air DZO/Beta Epsilon

I think the issue here isn't DZO. We all have our own opinions on what your Alpha Chapter did on MTV, but I don't think it's that at all.

A few years ago, someone directed us to a link to the Beta Epsilon Sorority website. Lots of GCers, SKs and non-SKs alike, were shaking their fists at their computers because it really did seem like they were definitely ripping off the symbols and everything related to Sigma Kappa.

Unfortunately no link to the old website exists, but discussion about it (when SUNY-Buffalo was opening up for expansion, home of DZO-Alpha) can be found here. The Beta Epsilon Sorority had just become a DZO chapter, and people were wondering what would happen to the new chapter. As you know, DZO never went NPC.

I don't know when it was ever okay for a member to go to another organization (a new one) and say, "Hey! Why not use my sorority symbols?" I only wish there was a link to the BE website because it was obvious to even the dumbest of dumbfcuks that everything was ripped off. babylyne, if that wasn't the intent to copy SK, then you guys sure as hell didn't do a good job distinguishing yourselves.

So basically Sigma Kappa HQ gave you guys a cease and desist and that's how you got help and broke it off?

I'm definitely not making this up either. 33girl remembered it. I remember it, and I'm sure others do as well.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by OTW

I think the issue here isn't DZO. We all have our own opinions on what your Alpha Chapter did on MTV, but I don't think it's that at all.

A few years ago, someone directed us to a link to the Beta Epsilon Sorority website. Lots of GCers, SKs and non-SKs alike, were shaking their fists at their computers because it really did seem like they were definitely ripping off the symbols and everything related to Sigma Kappa.

Unfortunately no link to the old website exists, but discussion about it (when SUNY-Buffalo was opening up for expansion, home of DZO-Alpha) can be found here. The Beta Epsilon Sorority had just become a DZO chapter, and people were wondering what would happen to the new chapter. As you know, DZO never went NPC.

I don't know when it was ever okay for a member to go to another organization (a new one) and say, "Hey! Why not use my sorority symbols?" I only wish there was a link to the BE website because it was obvious to even the dumbest of dumbfcuks that everything was ripped off. babylyne, if that wasn't the intent to copy SK, then you guys sure as hell didn't do a good job distinguishing yourselves.

So basically Sigma Kappa HQ gave you guys a cease and desist and that's how you got help and broke it off?

I'm definitely not making this up either. 33girl remembered it. I remember it, and I'm sure others do as well.

the reason why you dont find the old web page is because when we were being told what was happening the first thing I did was disable the website. The person who was "helping" us create our sorority had the intentions of becoming a Sigma Kappa colony. This however was not disclosed to us. It was mentioned in front of Panhellenic and then brought to my attention. The sisters at the time (right before a sisterhood event) came together and discussed the issues that we had just found out about. We instatly OVERNIGHT changed everything. We also relayed our appoligies to the Panhellenic regional rep. and asked her to relay that to Sigma Kappa. It is really hard to go into complete detail. and what happened was VERY painful to all of us because we trusted those around us. Most importantly we trusted someone who was supposed to be teaching us about sisterhood.

Originally Posted by babylyne

the reason why you dont find the old web page is because when we were being told what was happening the first thing I did was disable the website. The person who was "helping" us create our sorority had the intentions of becoming a Sigma Kappa colony. This however was not disclosed to us. It was mentioned in front of Panhellenic and then brought to my attention. The sisters at the time (right before a sisterhood event) came together and discussed the issues that we had just found out about. We instatly OVERNIGHT changed everything. We also relayed our appoligies to the Panhellenic regional rep. and asked her to relay that to Sigma Kappa. It is really hard to go into complete detail. and what happened was VERY painful to all of us because we trusted those around us. Most importantly we trusted someone who was supposed to be teaching us about sisterhood.

I'm very sorry that you and your sisters went through such a painful experience. I really mean that.

I'm curious, though. How long did it take from the time of founding to the time you took everything off the website took place?

I just find it hard to believe that this Sigma Kappa member would be this mastermind of everything. Did your founding sisters not do their research when choosing colors, symbols, and mottos? Sure, I'm no founding sister of anything -- but if I were, I'd sure as hell do my research and make sure that we'd try to be as unique as possible.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by OTW

I'm very sorry that you and your sisters went through such a painful experience. I really mean that.

I'm curious, though. How long did it take from the time of founding to the time you took everything off the website took place?

I just find it hard to believe that this Sigma Kappa member would be this mastermind of everything. Did your founding sisters not do their research when choosing colors, symbols, and mottos? Sure, I'm no founding sister of anything -- but if I were, I'd sure as hell do my research and make sure that we'd try to be as unique as possible.

Ok I took us 2 months to finally be told about what was going on. When this person told us that she would help us and then was backed by the Greek Life advisor, and she said that she would handle the issues that we had no clue about I trusted her. She told me to worry about recruiting members, so I did. So at first when we heard the rumblings of Sigma Kappa I went to the Greek Life advisor but he didnt want to help us he wanted to expand the campus so he saw this as his opportunity as well for him (just newly hired) to look really good. So as soon as we realized Hey we can take charge of our sorority and stand up to this we did. and then when Sigma Kappa went to our Greek Life advisor I think he had an oh shit moment and stepped in to help us.

You are right though and we have all kicked ourselves into not having a say in the colors and such. Again when someone says she is trying to help you build a sisterhood even if she can't be a sister, you would want to belive her.

[babylyne]

Hey All,

I didnt think that this would be so much of an issue but then again then truth will always be an issue to those who don't want to hear it. I am sorry that I caused such an issue. I just wanted people to understand my side/ my chapters side of the story. For those that it makes angry, I'm not sorry. If you are mad then you are mad. I can't do anything to change that.

I just posted this so that finally our side would be heard.

Thanks

[33girl]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Ok I took us 2 months to finally be told about what was going on. When this person told us that she would help us and then was backed by the Greek Life advisor, and she said that she would handle the issues that we had no clue about I trusted her. She told me to worry about recruiting members, so I did. So at first when we heard the rumblings of Sigma Kappa I went to the Greek Life advisor but he didnt want to help us he wanted to expand the campus so he saw this as his opportunity as well for him (just newly hired) to look really good. So as soon as we realized Hey we can take charge of our sorority and stand up to this we did. and then when Sigma Kappa went to our Greek Life advisor I think he had an oh shit moment and stepped in to help us.

You are right though and we have all kicked ourselves into not having a say in the colors and such. Again when someone says she is trying to help you build a sisterhood even if she can't be a sister, you would want to belive her.

This gets more and more confusing. This "person" was a fellow undergrad or who?? Why would you let one person and one person only think up (and I use that term with a big hardeeharhar) your motto, colors, etc? It just makes no sense - it's like you're saying no one else in your group had ever heard of SK and was innocent as lambs, which I find hard to believe as SK has chapters at WSU and U of Washington. Now if you'd copied ASA or AST, neither of which has a presence in the state, your story might hold a little more water.

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Ok I took us 2 months to finally be told about what was going on. When this person told us that she would help us and then was backed by the Greek Life advisor, and she said that she would handle the issues that we had no clue about I trusted her. She told me to worry about recruiting members, so I did. So at first when we heard the rumblings of Sigma Kappa I went to the Greek Life advisor but he didnt want to help us he wanted to expand the campus so he saw this as his opportunity as well for him (just newly hired) to look really good. So as soon as we realized Hey we can take charge of our sorority and stand up to this we did. and then when Sigma Kappa went to our Greek Life advisor I think he had an oh shit moment and stepped in to help us.

You are right though and we have all kicked ourselves into not having a say in the colors and such. Again when someone says she is trying to help you build a sisterhood even if she can't be a sister, you would want to belive her.

Huh? I thought you said you were the founder. But someone else came up with your colors, symbols, mottoes and ideals? How were you involved in the founding, then? Sounds like you just recruited members to an organization this mystery Sigma Kappa founded.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Huh? I thought you said you were the founder. But someone else came up with your colors, symbols, mottoes and ideals? How were you involved in the founding, then? Sounds like you just recruited members to an organization this mystery Sigma Kappa founded.

It's like there's a Deep Throat of Sigma Kappa.

(I mean this in Watergate terms.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It's like there's a Deep Throat of Sigma Kappa.

(I mean this in Watergate terms.)

Oh no.... you soooo didn't go there.

ETA: so besides the original Beta Epsilon, and SKEPi, have there been any other notable copycats? Are there any out there right now? Not just of Sigma Kappa, but of any GLO. I recall someone saying they saw a ZTA copycat at one point, but my searches aren't turning anything up.