UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

[shinerbock]

You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white.
The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.

So are you assuming that every non-white person in college is there because a white person got rejected? What happened to people getting to college on their own merits? Last time I checked, there were qualified people of EVERY race.

I went to college with kids like you, they took one look at me in engineering courses and decided I was there because of affirmative action, when in actuality, I didn't have a single "minority" scholarship, but I had a bunch because I was an out-of-state student.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I went to college with kids like you, they took one look at me in engineering courses and decided I was there because of affirmative action, when in actuality, I didn't have a single "minority" scholarship, but I had a bunch because I was an out-of-state student.

Ah, engineering school. Where the white guys (and the professors) all assume you must be an idiot who just got in for diversity if you're black, Hispanic, or -gasp!- female.

Jubilance, and all the rest of you on here who are minority women in engineering and sciences, you all take a lot of crap and you all amaze me. I could never have lasted at my engineering undergrad if I hadn't been holed up in my little liberal arts major haven, and I only have one strike against me.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

Ah, engineering school. Where the white guys (and the professors) all assume you must be an idiot who just got in for diversity if you're black, Hispanic, or -gasp!- female.

Jubilance, and all the rest of you on here who are minority women in engineering and sciences, you all take a lot of crap and you all amaze me. I could never have lasted at my engineering undergrad if I hadn't been holed up in my little liberal arts major haven, and I only have one strike against me.

You know I went to your undergrad as a grad student right?

And you're right, it definately has some characters...but there are some great folks there too.

[Dionysus]

Wow, I can't believe that you all actually had classmates that told you that crap to your face.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

You know I went to your undergrad as a grad student right?

And you're right, it definately has some characters...but there are some great folks there too.

Yeah, I know

It's just always amazed me the attitudes of some of those people ... especially the difference from when I was in my major classes (literature, history, etc.) and when I was in my science and math courses. Some people would say to your face that you only got in because you were a girl. Women would even say it about themselves - I guess they thought self-depreciation was cute.

I think one of the biggest problems in universities today is the divisions between students over stuff like that, and my undergrad/your grad seemed to really accentuate those divisions a lot. I think they're starting to improve, tho'.

Just always pissed me off ... I had better credentials on my admissions application than my SO the Rocket Scientist, but no one ever challenged him on any kind of affirmative action stuff

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I went to college with kids like you,

me too. usually the kids who fell at the back of the bell curve.

[AKA_Monet]

I am so confused...

Why am not amazed at little pledges from the University of Georgia showing naked women who happen to be of Afrikan descent to the public driving down the street?

shinerbock-

You know you ain't got no Black friends anyway, so what's up with the vehemenence? Sistahgirl DSTChaos just called your bluff and you need to be a man about it...

What's going to happen is you are gonna go off into a "hissy fit", "huff and puff", yell at all your little friends about Black people in Dekalb County, Stone Mountain, Georgia, where my cop, brother in law might have to take you to lockdown, 'cuz you missed your Klan rally up at the top of Stone Mountain...

If you want to hate baby, that's okay... You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...

Which is probably the whole point to this pointless act. It just goes to show you that the Chi Phi pledges at UGA have no game or skillz and they have to show naked ladies to folks driving down to street to get some...

[DSTCHAOS]

Now I'm confused.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am so confused...

Why am not amazed at little pledges from the University of Georgia showing naked women who happen to be of Afrikan descent to the public driving down the street?

shinerbock-

You know you ain't got no Black friends anyway, so what's up with the vehemenence? Sistahgirl DSTChaos just called your bluff and you need to be a man about it...

What's going to happen is you are gonna go off into a "hissy fit", "huff and puff", yell at all your little friends about Black people in Dekalb County, Stone Mountain, Georgia, where my cop, brother in law might have to take you to lockdown, 'cuz you missed your Klan rally up at the top of Stone Mountain...

If you want to hate baby, that's okay... You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...

Which is probably the whole point to this pointless act. It just goes to show you that the Chi Phi pledges at UGA have no game or skillz and they have to show naked ladies to folks driving down to street to get some...

Maybe you should speak proper English if you are going to try to insult him.

[shinerbock]

Seriously AKA, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're referring to your friend attempting to justify reverse racism, then thats fine, but I'm not quite sure.
I'm not sure what you mean by "my leap," so I can't fully answer your question. As far as I'm concerned, there is no "leap" involved. Its simply that you believe a black student should get into a school before an equally qualified white person, simply because of race.

As for affirmative action, theres no use debating what it is and what it isn't. I apologize if I don't recognize your definition over the likes of CNN or MSNBC...while I give you credit for being at least marginally intelligent, I'm not sure my regard can be extended that far. I think our fundamental difference in ideology is that while I think applicants should be admitted on merit, you feel some people should be given preferential treatment. I guess we're just different.

Starang, I find your comments regarding the bell curve funny...especially since the comment you are agreeing with was a completely erroneous assumption.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

while I give you credit for being at least marginally intelligent.

Now that's pretty funny you say given what I do for a living...

I'll let you search my posts from the last few years to see my "marginal intelligence" has put me.

But, I guess what counts is "emotional intelligence" and "social intelligence" and you are not the sharpest tool in the chest here, now are you...

I do dare you to start posting how much you really love and enjoy Black women on the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. "avenue" on GC.

Good luck with that... Oh, and actually, I am not that young. I am around Earp's age...

[starang21]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Starang, I find your comments regarding the bell curve funny...especially since the comment you are agreeing with was a completely erroneous assumption.

well gee willikers, maybe if reading was fundamental you'd notice that the only comment i quoted was the one about who i went to school with. and they were at the back end of the bell curve.

[sdsuchelle]

I would just like to say that I HATE the term "reverse racism". Racism is racism no matter who its againwst. Reverse racism would be like... unracism, or something.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Maybe you should speak proper English if you are going to try to insult him.

Wow, you find that insulting?