Numbers Determine Top Houses?

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Numbers are considered and talked about among pledge classes and actives alike. And they are important.

But that discussion really only matters within certain limits.

Where I went to school, a pledge class size could indicate that a fraternity in a certain tier might be rising or falling within its general "ranking".

And yet if a low tier fraternity of large size takes a big pledge class, it does not necessarily mean anything to the local social order.

Generally speaking, at a given school sororities will tend to be fewer in number and larger in size than fraternities.

So getting numbers is often about having the funds and size to be able to have mixers with sororities. Aside from that consideration, a fraternity's size is not all that important. It is the quality of the guys you take that matters.

Social standing matters too, of course, but numbers can tip the scales for houses that are in a position where their ability to mix with certain sororities is in question.

Not to discount NHPC, there seems to be a different mind set on how recruitment is, correct?

In Schools where there are NHPC Chapters, the numbers or low except HBC/U such as Langston, Brown, Howard, NC A& T,etal.

There will always be stronger Chapters but in retrospect, they to can fall from grace becasue of stupidity. Charters or removed and so are the Chapters. It hurts no one but themselves does it?

Granted in each part of the Country each is toataly different, but still have to report to eachs HQs.

Not every School is going to be signicant other than inside their little area.

There are other parts of the country that have Chapters and follow the rules and regulations.

PNM Numbers do not mean a thing!

They only mean something when the are Initiated and stay to work for the Chapter and grow.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Not to discount NHPC, there seems to be a different mind set on how recruitment is, correct?

In Schools where there are NHPC Chapters, the numbers or low except HBC/U such as Langston, Brown, Howard, NC A& T,etal.

There will always be stronger Chapters but in retrospect, they to can fall from grace becasue of stupidity. Charters or removed and so are the Chapters. It hurts no one but themselves does it?

Granted in each part of the Country each is toataly different, but still have to report to eachs HQs.

Not every School is going to be signicant other than inside their little area.

There are other parts of the country that have Chapters and follow the rules and regulations.

PNM Numbers do not mean a thing!

They only mean something when the are Initiated and stay to work for the Chapter and grow.

I would respond to your post, but you continue to disrespect the name of the NPHC. I have asked you about this MANY times in the past. Furthermore, "low" is relative. A twenty man Alpha chapter at an HBCU might be high; but at the same school, ten might be high for the Sigmas.

But you continue to downplay NPHC organizations every time I enter a discussion, so whatever.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I would respond to your post, but you continue to disrespect the name of the NPHC. I have asked you about this MANY times in the past. Furthermore, "low" is relative. A twenty man Alpha chapter at an HBCU might be high; but at the same school, ten might be high for the Sigmas.

But you continue to downplay NPHC organizations every time I enter a discussion, so whatever.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you at this point.

I never disrespect another Greek Organization. I may not understand them as much as I try, but I at least have a point.

When a friend of mine agrees when we discuss this same topic, I am supposed feel he is wrong also?


Some say I disrespect other GLOs, well, they are totally wrong and ask them to prove it! Oh, and you included.

I am always glad when I hear of someone who I come in contact with about being a member or asking them if they are going to join and why not if they say no.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Some say I disrespect other GLOs, well, they are totally wrong and ask them to prove it! Oh, and you included.

You never misspell NIC.

You never misspell IFC.

You ALWAYS misspell NPHC and I have asked you repeatedly to observe the proper spelling.

Do it once, it's rude, but can be forgiven. Do it numerous times, it's blatant disrespect.

And for the record, I agree with everyone else on GC who has accused you of being disrespectful of orgs other than NIC fraternities.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

You never misspell NIC.

You never misspell IFC.

You ALWAYS misspell NPHC and I have asked you repeatedly to observe the proper spelling.

Do it once, it's rude, but can be forgiven. Do it numerous times, it's blatant disrespect.

And for the record, I agree with everyone else on GC who has accused you of being disrespectful of orgs other than NIC fraternities.

As usual, when you get a compliment you have to be a smart ?

Your s--- does get tedious at the very least.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

As usual, when you get a compliment you have to be a smart ?

Your s--- does get tedious at the very least.

How is misspelling NPHC on many occasions complimentary?

We can go head up, Tom, and you will never prove that you have been consistently respectful to organizations outside the ones most like your own.

You seem to believe in universal truths about fraternities when it is clear that some things are relative.

I choose to bring in the NPHC perspective on certain topics and I should be able to do so without you checking behind my posts and dismissing them.

I am sick of you. Please put me on ignore.

[Tom Earp]

SAD

[Elephant Walk]

I consider a pledge class of over 55 to be too big. Any more and the house is taking sorority numbers.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I consider a pledge class of over 55 to be too big. Any more and the house is taking sorority numbers.

LOL, I often wondered how close these Chapters are? Who doesn't know who or even if they are members of said group!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

Sorry to crash, but Senusret's post got me thinking - do NPHC campus Pan-Hellenic's set a total # of members allowed in each NPHC group at that campus like the NPC sorority Panhellenic would for their sororities? Or is that something left up to each group to determine for themselves?

And if they do set a total, what happens if NPHC fraternities that are in NIC are on both the IFC Council and Pan-Hellenic Council? If Pan-Hellenic has total and NIC does and they're different numbers for that campus, what would an NPHC fraternity do?

Man I hope that made sense lol.

Second part first....on those campuses where Kappa, Iota, and/or Alpha are on both the local IFC it is moreso for goodwill. I am not too aware of local IFC policies on recruitment, so I can't address the "total" issue there...

However, "total" is very rare among local NPHCs. We usually call them "line caps." Quite honestly, the only orgs that line caps affect are AKA and Delta on large HBCU campuses where they could easily get over a hundred members.

"Recruitment" for us is really selection and intake. There are some similarities between how NPHC fraternities look for candidates and how NIC fraternities "rush" informally. In both processes, the members pretty much already know who they want, NPHCs because the aspirant has expressed an interest already (usually).

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Second part first....on those campuses where Kappa, Iota, and/or Alpha are on both the local IFC it is moreso for goodwill. I am not too aware of local IFC policies on recruitment, so I can't address the "total" issue there...

However, "total" is very rare among local NPHCs. We usually call them "line caps." Quite honestly, the only orgs that line caps affect are AKA and Delta on large HBCU campuses where they could easily get over a hundred members.

"Recruitment" for us is really selection and intake. There are some similarities between how NPHC fraternities look for candidates and how NIC fraternities "rush" informally. In both processes, the members pretty much already know who they want, NPHCs because the aspirant has expressed an interest already (usually).

I know of only a few campuses that had some sort of IFC quota for formal rush. But I have never heard of a chapter total being applied to IFC. This doesn't mean that some campus may not have it, just that I am not aware of it. Now, individual chapters may decide to set a total for their chapter membership or for their pledge class. But not due to it being IFC mandated.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I know of only a few campuses that had some sort of IFC quota for formal rush. But I have never heard of a chapter total being applied to IFC. This doesn't mean that some campus may not have it, just that I am not aware of it. Now, individual chapters may decide to set a total for their chapter membership or for their pledge class. But not due to it being IFC mandated.

If this is a new idea, I have never heard of it either.

NIC rules do not include anything like this.

Maybe the local IFC does, but I am not sure how they can get away with it?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

If this is a new idea, I have never heard of it either.

NIC rules do not include anything like this.

Maybe the local IFC does, but I am not sure how they can get away with it?

There was a thread on this a few years back. But I can't find it.

A few years back, Oklahoma IFC had a cap on the number of pledges each chapter could take through formal rush. I think it was like 50. Any chapter that took over the number, was assessed a fine for each pledge over. There was some controversy cause one chapter said "fine", pledged up in the 70s and paid their fine. I believe that Arkansas either had something similar in place, or was thinking about it.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

Thanks for the info - I'm woefully undereducated about fraternity rush and the NPHC.

You're welcome.

In fact, I will start a new thread about it.