We didn't hang that flag, say fraternity/Greenville, NC

KAY10 · #1 08-20-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Yep, this is from about.com:

"The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck."

Hey, thanks a lot.

shinerbock · #2 08-20-2006, 12:57 PM

When you favor black business over white business, because they are owned by blacks, thats racism. When you attempt to stack the city's boards and comm. with black people, thats probably racism. I'll refrain again from really calling him a racist, because I don't know what his motivations were. However, to many at the time, he seemed to heighten racial tension through is apparently biased actions. As for throwing around the term "racist," I really don't need a lecture on it. After all, as a conservative on this board, I get called racist for simply saying things against affirmative action. There are probably better communities who should be served with your comments on the use of the term "racist"...

Regarding the flag, it obviously has purpose other than "intimidating" black people. Saying otherwise is just stupid.

jon1856 · #3 08-20-2006, 05:26 PM

Another interesting thread that I do not believe I just spent over ten minutes reading....

A few things here
Flags and Battle Flags:
http://www.nps.gov/gett/gettkidz/flag.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_o...tes_of_America

There is new, on going research into information on Blacks serving in the CSA Army. Pick up back copies of Civil War News ( Not sure if on web site www.civilwarnews.com )

As for 'use' of the CSA flag....IMHO, it was miss used after the War Between the States. Many a good man, boy, woman and girl ( yes, women did fight in the war ) fought, bled, and died along side their friends and statesman under it. All were Americans. Most of the soldiers, on the fields of battle, did not care about nor perhaps understand the larger politices or economice issuies of the war. they were fighting for their towns, their states, their friends. General Lee even believed that the slaves should have been freed.
And in some ways, I believe that many groups today are using it fpr purposes of their own making and needs.

As for today, I have rather mixed feelings. I go down to FL and no one says anything about their state flag. Look at it with some care..can cause you to wonder.......

The perseption of it use falls on the people who see it and the people who use it.

Now, in the case that this thread started with if the flag was NOT up until the march/activity was about to start my belief is that the people who hung were out to make trouble.

I have been to many Reenactments, both in the North and in the South, and I never have heard or seen anything being said or done 'wrong' in any of the camps. Many reencators go into roles-live and speak as if they are in the 1800's. And I have seen both women and black soldiers on both sides.

Several years ago, in the Mid-west, a "group" thought that it would have a march during a reenactment. Somehow got it into their minds that the CSA troops would join them.

What happen was not their dream but a nightmare.

News of this march got into the camps. The reenactment came to a stop as the camps first gathered in their areas and then joined up behind their combined flag honor guards. The troops all had their "pig-stickers" fixed and locked.

The "group" took one look and ran or fled for hills.

Everyone else was very happy.

Time for dinner-where in is that Dinner thread.......

Tom Earp · #4 08-20-2006, 05:41 PM

Thank You, a very good post and a big learning lesson to many who are so young and have no clue about the Civil War per say!

It was not all about "Gone With The Wind".

While I have said for years, it was economics there are many who will argue about it.

It is also amazing "How Many Slaves" stayed with their White Families and did fight for the Rebs in the Civil War.

For Robert E. Lee, He was one of the finest Generals of His time. I am glad to be related to Him! If all Historians will check it out they a will find it true.

But if you want to press the slavery issue then actually check out about which you speak. Then come back and disscus it properly.

Thanks,

KAY10 · #5 08-20-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

When you favor black business over white business, because they are owned by blacks, thats racism. When you attempt to stack the city's boards and comm. with black people, thats probably racism. I'll refrain again from really calling him a racist, because I don't know what his motivations were. However, to many at the time, he seemed to heighten racial tension through is apparently biased actions. As for throwing around the term "racist," I really don't need a lecture on it. After all, as a conservative on this board, I get called racist for simply saying things against affirmative action. There are probably better communities who should be served with your comments on the use of the term "racist"...

Regarding the flag, it obviously has purpose other than "intimidating" black people. Saying otherwise is just stupid.

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. It's wrong, but you're still entitled to it.

macallan25 · #6 08-21-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KAY10

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. It's wrong, but you're still entitled to it.

who are you to say its wrong??

....I agree with him though. People throw around the term racist and bigot on this board more than anything I have ever seen. Its borderline completely ridiculous.

KAY10 · #7 08-21-2006, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

who are you to say its wrong??

....I agree with him though. People throw around the term racist and bigot on this board more than anything I have ever seen. Its borderline completely ridiculous.

Don't worry about who I am. I said it's wrong because I can.

macallan25 · #8 08-21-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KAY10

Don't worry about who I am. I said it's wrong because I can.

oh...ok

idiot.

shinerbock · #9 08-22-2006, 12:52 AM

I am absolutely entitled to it. Oh, and I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this to you before, but just because you think something is wrong, doesn't make it so. Especially when you have no backing to support your position.

KAY10 · #10 08-22-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

oh...ok

idiot.

LOL. Your funny. Ignorant, but funny.

DSTCHAOS · #11 08-24-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

When you favor black business over white business, because they are owned by blacks, thats racism. When you attempt to stack the city's boards and comm. with black people, thats probably racism. I'll refrain again from really calling him a racist, because I don't know what his motivations were. However, to many at the time, he seemed to heighten racial tension through is apparently biased actions.

A lot of (white) people feel that programs designed to level the playing field are "racist." That belief is based on a lack of social consciousness and tendency for some (white) people to feel as though many resources BELONG to "THEM." Thus when these resources are redistributed, many (white) people feel slighted rather than feeling that these resources belong to SOCIETY. But it isn't really about white people vs. black people. It's about power dynamics and how majority groups in power perceive threat to their opportunity and resource hoarding.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

As for throwing around the term "racist," I really don't need a lecture on it. After all, as a conservative on this board, I get called racist for simply saying things against affirmative action. There are probably better communities who should be served with your comments on the use of the term "racist"...

You DO need a lecture on it because you are doing the very same thing that people on the board do to you. You don't know what "racism" is just like many of your accusers don't know what "racism" is. This doesn't mean that you aren't racist but before I would call you a "racist" I would just call you "socially ignorant." Having a differing opinion is fine but the foundation for your opinions tends to be logically flawed and supported by both a covertly and overtly supremacist ideology.

I know that Conservative is not synonymous with bigot. I do not subscribe to most political categories and labels but I consider myself to be more Conservative than Liberal with exception for certain social welfare programs. However, Conservatives created and perpetuated the label of bigot and racist for themselves many years ago. They allowed the bigots and racists to be their most vocal representatives.