The 2006 Carnation Rush Thread

SydneyK · #1 08-14-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Congratulations to everyone! As painful as they may be, those release figures really seem to be working, don't they?

I have absolutely no knowledge of what things are like at Auburn outside of the discussions that have happened here. And, in no way am I wanting to ruffle any feathers here. So, with that said...

If quota was 58, and AZD has a NM class of 23, then I don't think the release figures are working as well as they should be. If there weren't quota additions, AZD could have (theoretically) pledged 48.

I guess I just don't understand quota additions when one of the groups has a NM class of less than half of all the others.

Again, I'm just going on math and what could theoretically happen. Maybe I just need someone to explain how/why other groups can take as many as 63 (no offense, GPhiB) and one of the groups gets only 23.

Can anyone help explain this to me?

AlphaFrog · #2 08-14-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK

Again, I'm just going on math and what could theoretically happen. Maybe I just need someone to explain how/why other groups can take as many as 63 (no offense, GPhiB) and one of the groups gets only 23.

Can anyone help explain this to me?

There's always going to be a group that unfortunately, whether it be the "tent talk", current low numbers, etc, whatever reason, can't compete with other chapters. Theoretically, AXiD could have had those quota additions, but would those girls have ACTUALLY chosen to go there?? And, things tend to go in cycles, so this year AXiD is low man, but it could be 3 years from now, AXiD is taking total and quota and GPhiB is struggling for half a pledge class.

Not picking on the particular groups I mentioned...they just happened to be at the school we're talking about.

SydneyK · #3 08-14-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Theoretically, AXiD could have had those quota additions, but would those girls have ACTUALLY chosen to go there??

Well, we wouldn't know unless they're offered the choice.

I realize that there are going to be groups that struggle for one reason or another, and it also makes sense that such struggling is somewhat cyclical. But, I guess I feel like the 25 quota-additions should've been extended bids to AXiD (assuming AXiD had them on their bid list) instead of the remaining groups (all of which had already reached quota). If those 25 quota-additions didn't want to accept, they wouldn't have to.

Carnation, I don't mean to hijack your thread... congrats to your rainbow girls.

AlphaFrog · #4 08-14-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK

Well, we wouldn't know unless they're offered the choice.

I realize that there are going to be groups that struggle for one reason or another, and it also makes sense that such struggling is somewhat cyclical. But, I guess I feel like the 25 quota-additions should've been extended bids to AXiD (assuming AXiD had them on their bid list) instead of the remaining groups (all of which had already reached quota). If those 25 quota-additions didn't want to accept, they wouldn't have to.

That's totally unfair to the PNM. They could have a bid to their first choice, but instead, in the spirit of Panhellenic fairness, let's see if they'll take their last choice instead.

I'm not well-versed in the new figures, but I think if they had AXiD ANYWHERE on their final bid card, and AXiD had that PNM ANYWHERE on their bid list, then they would have been offered AXiD, instead of a quota addition.

SydneyK · #5 08-14-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I'm not well-versed in the new figures, but I think if they had AXiD ANYWHERE on their final bid card, and AXiD had that PNM ANYWHERE on their bid list, then they would have been offered AXiD, instead of a quota addition.

I'm not well-versed in the new figures, either. That's why I've asked. But, your second point makes sense. Perhaps I just assumed that the quota-additions had listed AXiD somewhere on their final bid card (and that AXiD also had them on their bid list). I don't mean to suggest that the bid-matchers just randomly throw PNMs into a group they didn't even pref, for instance.

Still, I don't understand quota-additions. Why have quota if you're just going to increase it?

Seriously, not trying to step on toes here... just figure it all out. The new release system is, well, new to me. And, I don't remember any groups on my campus being allowed to take more than quota. But that could be because that was before the new release figures were in place. I dunno.

MSKKG · #6 08-14-2006, 10:31 AM

I thought quota additions were the "freebies" like juniors and/or seniors.

AlphaFrog, I agree with you. There is a fine line between Panhellenic fairness and fairness to the PNM.

PenguinTrax · #7 08-14-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MSKKG

I thought quota additions were the "freebies" like juniors and/or seniors.

AlphaFrog, I agree with you. There is a fine line between Panhellenic fairness and fairness to the PNM.

Not all campuses set a different (or no) quota for Junior and Senior class members. This practice is not an NPC standard thing, but varies from campus to campus.

MSKKG · #8 08-14-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AXiD670

I believe the # of quota additions is based off a percentage of the quota (correct me if I'm wrong, please!). So, the five quota additions they received was the max # of quota additions allowed.

Oh,yeah--I forgot about that. I better start remembering--recruitment at USC starts next week!

FSUZeta · #9 08-14-2006, 10:55 AM

quota additions was discussed in another thread-quota additions are implemented for the benefit of the pnm-panhellenic does truly try to match as many girls as possible. we all want as many girls to be able to have their first choice as possible-sometimes someone's first choice bid list gets filled before their name comes up. normal procedure is to then try to match the girl up with her 2nd choice, and then her third, but sometimes, those bid lists too are filled before her name would come up.

(i.e., zoe,xyz rusher, got the feeling that patty pnm had her heart set on abc, after preffing her. xyz does not want to risk putting patty on their first bid list and not making quota, but they liked her well enough to take a chance on her by putting her on their 2nd bid list. patty puts xyz as her 2nd choice, but xyz fills to quota before their 2nd bid list-after all is said and done, she does not match to anyone, but she was number 61 on abc's list, and quota was 60, so panhellenic allowed abc to extend a bid to patty. noone but panhellenic would know this, so all is happy in abc house.)

GPhiBLtColonel · #10 08-14-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AXiD670

Quota additions happen when many more PNMs list a particular group on their bid card than that group is allowed to offer spots. For example, GPhiB filled quota quickly, and there were that many extra women who wanted GPhiB. I believe the # of quota additions is based off a percentage of the quota (correct me if I'm wrong, please!). So, the five quota additions they received was the max # of quota additions allowed.

We could only have quota additions from the girls who had Gamma Phi on their final list but were not otherwise matched...if they'd had AXiD on their list in any spot that is where they would have gonesince we did -happily - fill quota quickly. The quota additions are a real plus for us.

We have an awesome pledge class - including one of my girls I wrote a rec for

- and I could not be more thrilled!!!

Our girls there have worked their cute little behinds off and now their hard work is paying off. I don't mean to sound defensive - I just hate to see the efforts of our Auburn girls disparaged in any way....sorry.

AchiO86 · #11 08-14-2006, 08:16 PM

I just read this entire recruitment story and it was so exciting! Carnation, tell all the girls congratulations! I'm so excited one of them went AXO

! Make sure to send her some Red Carnations!

Drolefille · #12 08-14-2006, 10:09 AM

The quota additions don't hurt other chapters, the PNMs who were "quota+" would not be ones who listed AZD. You could try to force a bid match to AZD or they could have tried to snap those quota+ girls, but that doesn't work as well for either the PNMs (who didn't list AZD) or the chapter (who may have more bids to offer, but will probably not get more girls accepting the bids.

PenguinTrax · #13 08-14-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK

I have absolutely no knowledge of what things are like at Auburn outside of the discussions that have happened here. And, in no way am I wanting to ruffle any feathers here. So, with that said...

If quota was 58, and AZD has a NM class of 23, then I don't think the release figures are working as well as they should be. If there weren't quota additions, AZD could have (theoretically) pledged 48.

I guess I just don't understand quota additions when one of the groups has a NM class of less than half of all the others.

Again, I'm just going on math and what could theoretically happen. Maybe I just need someone to explain how/why other groups can take as many as 63 (no offense, GPhiB) and one of the groups gets only 23.

Can anyone help explain this to me?

It is possible that AXiD underinvited - it happens, even against recommendations. It happened a few years ago to a huge chapter here at FSU. They underinvited, were warned and they still cut heavily, much lower than they needed to based on release figures. As a result, they did not make quota and had to COB that fall, something they've not had to do in decades.

Without being on the campus, or a member of that Fraternity, none of us can guess as to the real reason.

For comparison, this is the list from 2005 recruitment. AXiD was also under quota there as well:

AChiO 62
ADPi 62
AGD 62
AOII 62
AXiD 27
ChiO 62
Tri Delt 62
DG 62
DZ 62
GPhiB 59
KD 61
KKG 62
Phi Mu 62
Pi Phi 62
SK 62
ZTA 62

Maybe it is something to do with the fact that AXiD has only been on campus 26 years? I don't know - lots of cute girls in the chapter and lots of activities.

http://www.auburn.edu/student_info/g...lta/index.html

AlphaFrog · #14 08-14-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

It is possible that AXiD underinvited - it happens, even against recommendations. It happened a few years ago to a huge chapter here at FSU. They underinvited, were warned and they still cut heavily, much lower than they needed to based on release figures. As a result, they did not make quota and had to COB that fall, something they've not had to do in decades.

Without being on the campus, or a member of that Fraternity, none of us can guess as to the real reason.

What's the theory behind underinviting?? Only trying to get the "most elite" pledges?? Trying to create scarcity, and therefore demand??

PenguinTrax · #15 08-14-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What's the theory behind underinviting?? Only trying to get the "most elite" pledges?? Trying to create scarcity, and therefore demand??

I wouldn't say 'elite' at all, It could be that in the chapter's eyes, only a limited number of women were to their standards or 'clicked' with the chapter.