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Originally Posted by ktsnake
I didn't deny that they do -- as Shiner is so fond of saying, brush up on those reading comprehension skills. I merely said that there seems to be a movement away from hazing, even in the South. One of those chapters of which I have pretty recent/direct knowledge, has in fact backed off a bit, or even a lot. I'm know that there are still quite a few chapters, especially in the South which have not yet adopted national programming, and still are 100% traditional. I never denied that. I don't believe it'll work for many chapters to change overnight and still be able to maintain their elite status. On the other hand, they're taking a gamble in even existing at all.
In terms of numbers, our Kansas chapter was a good example of our Nationals willingness to close an elite chapter. That, or Arkansas. Vanderbilt wasn't doing too poorly when they were closed. There have been quite a few others, but it's too early in the morning. At this time, these chapters face a choice. Either change, or sooner or later, they will be forced to change. Many have seen the light, and are taking measured steps towards change.
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Again you are (disclaimer: allegedly) dead wrong about your assumptions with said chapter. What chapters tell their nationals and their advisors, and uptight alumni is night/day from what really happens. Hazing has a direct correlation with how strong a chapter is (fraternities only). Spare me your PC sugar coated BS, I see this stuff first hand from the perspective of an active, not some out of touch GHQ, alumni, advisor, etc.
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