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Originally Posted by Lady of Pearl
One can form a definition for most anything be it pledging or hazing. However, I am referring to blatant forms of hazing resulting in criminal penalties, lawsuits, expulsion, revocation of chapters etc which contribute overall to a hazing environment and results in the abuse or death of potential initiates. That is what most national greek organizations are being faced with because those members are reluctant to break with their tired traditions which result in adverse consequences and putting the national organizations at risk.
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We may differ in opinion, but I have talked to several older alumni from different schools, my dad and his pledge brothers (also all at UT)....and never have they mentioned being beaten, put in extremely dangerous situations, or any other things that I could see you considering "blatant" forms of hazing. I don't think these type things are longstanding traditions at all. Lineups, house cleans, early morning house calls, required dress, etc. etc. are what I have come to see as traditions that have been gonig on for a very long time.
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