Israel at War?

Rudey · #1 07-28-2006, 11:36 AM

Rob, as much as I'd like to say this is a result of the pain you are suffering from your loss I think you also harbor anti-Israel and anti-American beliefs.

Again, you don't see people constantly discussing their hate for Canada. Don't you think you can just give it a rest for a day...maybe two?

-Rudey

shinerbock · #2 07-29-2006, 04:14 PM

This just pisses me off more and more. The UN is ridiculous. They completely ignore the fact that Hezbollah leaders met Iran officials in Syria this week, TO ORGANIZE HOW TO ARM THE MILITANTS! Where is the UN condemnation of Iran and Syria?

On a side note, I know its wrong to hate an entire religion, but given the attack in Seattle, I'm getting more and more prejudiced.

_Opi_ · #3 07-29-2006, 04:36 PM

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On a side note, I know its wrong to hate an entire religion, but given the attack in Seattle, I'm getting more and more prejudiced.

Well then you will be doing alot of hating --like a billion people's worth (and growing). Good luck.

shinerbock · #4 07-29-2006, 04:42 PM

Its alright, I hate China as well, thats another billion.

_Opi_ · #5 07-29-2006, 04:45 PM

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Its alright, I hate China as well, thats another billion.

North Korea? and for old times sake, how about Russia?

shinerbock · #6 07-29-2006, 04:50 PM

Not Russia. I don't know enough about N. Korea to hate them. But you can add France to the list. I want the wine though.

Tom Earp · #7 07-29-2006, 06:30 PM

The Main thing, is The UN is uless.

Readorict may be good, but it does not get stuff done!

If there is not Polotics there then what is it?

KSigkid · #8 07-31-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

Rob, as much as I'd like to say this is a result of the pain you are suffering from your loss I think you also harbor anti-Israel and anti-American beliefs.

Again, you don't see people constantly discussing their hate for Canada. Don't you think you can just give it a rest for a day...maybe two?

-Rudey

And I'd like to note this point has not been answered.

Also, I'm wondering where this "anti-UN media" is, because everything I've seen in the U.S. (NBC, CBS, ABC, Boston Globe, etc.) has been free of anti-UN literature. Same for this notion that conservatives in the US are anti-UN.

Rudey · #9 07-31-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

And I'd like to note this point has not been answered.

Also, I'm wondering where this "anti-UN media" is, because everything I've seen in the U.S. (NBC, CBS, ABC, Boston Globe, etc.) has been free of anti-UN literature. Same for this notion that conservatives in the US are anti-UN.

Exactly. I've never seen any anti-UN literature in most media. Rob just comes on to blast America and Canada and will keep talking about how Republicans and Fox news and Israel are controlling everything.

-Rudey

DeltAlum · #10 07-31-2006, 11:03 AM

Just a couple of thoughts.

The UN as a peacekeeper is not particularly efficient. How can it be with all of the polictical pressure brought to bear on it and the lack of any kind of forces of its own.

Israel is going to take a lot of heat from the US and much of the rest of the world for killing not only numerous civilians (including women and children), but the UN troops as well. If they claim accidents, they are going to look like fools, if not they'll look bloodthirsty or uncaring. I'd guess that's why the US is suddenly pushing for a quick cease fire -- which we were not doing last week as I recall.

Hezbollah is not made up of nice people.

The war of words in this thread is sometimes more acrimonious than the one in the actual war. Neither are particularly entertaining.

RU OX Alum · #11 07-31-2006, 02:43 PM

I think there should be no cease fire. This war started before I was even born, and I hope everyone fighting in it dies, so that normal people there can regain control. Hezbollah isn't very nice, no but then again, would not exist in the first place if Israel hadn't invaded Lebannanon 20 years ago or whenever it was. There are criminals on both sides.

PhiPsiRuss · #12 07-31-2006, 02:58 PM

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}...no but then again, would not exist in the first place if Israel hadn't invaded Lebannanon 20 years ago or whenever it was. There are criminals on both sides.

Do you think that Israel entered Lebanon in 1982 for shits and giggles? Before there was Hezbolah operating from Southern Lebanon, there was the PLO, and they were no angels either.

Hezbolah does not exist because of what happened 24 years ago. It was created in 1983 by Iran, and not by an indigenous response to local conditions. It exists in its current state because of Iran (mostly) and Syria.

This current war started when Iran coaxed Hezbolah to act as the G8 was meeting. Iran wanted to show the world that they could shake things up. Well, they shook things up and now there is a war.

We can debate whether or not Israel's response was appropriate, but no one is debating about who killed the first person. It was Hezbolah doing the dirty work for Iran.

RU OX Alum · #13 07-31-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiPsiRuss

Do you think that Israel entered Lebanon in 1982 for shits and giggles? Before there was Hezbolah operating from Southern Lebanon, there was the PLO, and they were no angels either.

Hezbolah does not exist because of what happened 24 years ago. It was created in 1983 by Iran, and not by an indigenous response to local conditions. It exists in its current state because of Iran (mostly) and Syria.

This current war started when Iran coaxed Hezbolah to act as the G8 was meeting. Iran wanted to show the world that they could shake things up. Well, they shook things up and now there is a war.

We can debate whether or not Israel's response was appropriate, but no one is debating about who killed the first person. It was Hezbolah doing the dirty work for Iran.

PLO aren't terrorists though.

PLO is better than Hezbollah and Hammas by a long shot. I'm not saying Iran doesn't control Hezbollah, but without Israel creating a bunch of conditions, then neither Hammas nor Hezbollah would exist, at least not as they do now. Bulldoze people's family's homes and run over teenagers with tanks anywhere else in the world, and you get human rights protestors from every country in the world that cares about such things. Say anything bad about Israel and you are terrorist if you're brown and anti-semetic if you're another color.

_Opi_ · #14 07-31-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiPsiRuss

Do you think that Israel entered Lebanon in 1982 for shits and giggles? Before there was Hezbolah operating from Southern Lebanon, there was the PLO, and they were no angels either.

And what the Phalangist officers did under the command of the Israel government was not for "shits and giggles". They were "no angels either".