Israel at War?

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Israelis have died. Canadians have died. Fewer innocent Lebonese have died because of Israel's strike pattern than would have had they attacked indiscriminately.

Actually, few Israeli civilians have died. The majority deaths are soldiers. More Lebanese than Israeli civilians have died.

So what now, Opi? Why do you ignore this, simply because you read about a Mosque falling? Why do you ignore what you read about rockets fired into towns, into civilian dwellings, on the Israeli side of the border?

I don't care about a mosque (under construction) falling, but that Israel govt kept telling the world there was a bunker in there. CNN went in there. No bunker, no bombs.

I don't ignore Israeli civilians. First, their government should really try to get them to evacuate. two, they have bomb shelters. Lebanese civilians do not.

I agree, but you didn't address my point about propaganda - namely, that Hezbollah has attempted to needlessly DRIVE UP the number of Lebanese civilian casualties by placing strategic encampments or targets within civilian locations. This is a de facto use of the 'human shield', and has been the modus operendi of terror groups in the area for decades.

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During times of wars, both sides purport propoganda. This is the point I am addressing with you. You want me to say any other news agency in the world except for American ones are sources of propoganda. I will disagree with you on that. Actually, I don't need a news media or hizbullah or the IDF to tell me that the actual numbers of Lebanese deaths are not nearly as high as it should.

How about this for propoganda, why do we know the age of the Israeli girl that died today, but we don't know the ages (yes more than 1 child) of the children in Lebanon that died today. Hizbullah propoganda?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

Actually, few Israeli civilians have died. The majority deaths are soldiers. More Lebanese than Israeli civilians have died.

I don't see why this distinction is important, to be honest. If anything, it's mostly related to your point below:

Originally Posted by _Opi_

I don't ignore Israeli civilians. First, their government should really try to get them to evacuate. two, they have bomb shelters. Lebanese civilians do not.

And so . . . ? I don't see how this 'matters', in a 'war' sense. Should Israel stop attacking because the Lebanese are worse equipped than their own civilians for such an attack?

Maybe it should tell you something that the Israelis HAVE such provisions available . . .

Originally Posted by _Opi_

During times of wars, both sides purport propoganda. This is the point I am addressing with you. You want me to say any other news agency in the world except for American ones are sources of propoganda. I will disagree with you on that. Actually, I don't need a news media or hizbullah or the IDF to tell me that the actual numbers of Lebanese deaths are not nearly as high as it should.

I don't want you to say anything of the sort - in fact, I've never assailed your sources, just your conclusions. I agree that both sides will twist media attention in their favor - see: Israel bombs mosque, claims shelter, CNN can't find evidence. However, saying "ISRAEL DOES IT TOO!" does NOT, in fact, negate my point at all - it's fallacious logic.

Originally Posted by _Opi_

How about this for propoganda, why do we know the age of the Israeli girl that died today, but we don't know the ages (yes more than 1 child) of the children in Lebanon that died today. Hizbullah propoganda?

Nope, I'd say that's good old fashioned American journalism during wartime - something that's been going on for decades, and something I don't necessarily agree with. DeltAlum may actually provide some insight here, too - there might be other reasons, such as lack of access to Lebanese information/stories comparatively, or the rationale of taking one story as indicative and exploring it in detail - but regardless, I'm not playing apologist for propaganda techniques.

I'm simply asserting that one benefit for Hezbollah in placing strategic locations within urban areas comes in the ability to claim "Israel has killed the innocent!" when unavoidable collateral damage occurs.

You have addressed this by saying "Israel manipulates the media too!" This is not, at all, the issue. You're going 10 rounds with the strawman instead of swinging for the actual topic.

[_Opi_]

My sister's favorite sentence: Let's agree to disagree!

Shall we?

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

My sister's favorite sentence: Let's agree to disagree!

Shall we?

One of my favorite phrases since I've been working is "the dick dance."

That's what the past however many pages have been.