School Daze question.

f8nacn · #1 07-09-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

When I think of greek life, I think of classic, historic groups of men and women on major campuses who use their time in the organization to form valuable bonds and to act almost as a sort of cotillion, to bring them up into a classy and mature adult world.

My last comment (or at least I will try) many NPHC organizations do what you have mentioned above...

shinerbock · #2 07-09-2006, 04:51 PM

While I didn't fully understand your comment, I assume you meant that NPHC groups fit that description. You have knowledge of about it, so I assume you're right on some levels. However, I didn't know they put emphasis on that "cotillion" like education that I was referring to. We try and prepare our guys for lives in professional fields, as our alumni include congressmen, attorneys and corporate execs. While I have no doubt that black fraternity create attorneys and the like, the ones on my campus didn't seem to place the emphasis on that type of training like the IFC fraternities do. But again, that was just my impression. I'll keep you posted after I get in the legal world, perhaps I'll work with some black professionals who attribute it to their NPHC group.

bows&toes · #3 07-09-2006, 09:21 PM

Call me racist, but the black fraternities I have seen remind me more of a street gang then a fraternity. I know that while most people are too PC to admitt it publicly, they would agree with that statement. Are all of them that way? No. Are most of them? Yes.

And by the way, I can't believe you're actually bragging about founding dates in the 1900s.

f8nacn · #4 07-09-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

And by the way, I can't believe you're actually bragging about founding dates in the 1900s.

Is there something wrong with that??? Please elaborate on this...

Xidelt · #5 07-09-2006, 10:01 PM

I don't think bowsandtoes realizes that african americans weren't free or welcome in his organization at the time that many of the NPHC groups were founded...don't worry....it's just his stupidity and ignorance showing....

but he probably thinks he's super smart and cool.

shinerbock · #6 07-09-2006, 10:13 PM

See, this is what bothers me. Someone makes an honest statement, and gives credit to the idea that it is probably not that way everywhere, and gets called racist and ignorant...

Regarding your comments about blacks not being free or allowed to join...I don't know if that is the entire reason. The organizations are not simply black replicas of their previous white counterparts, but rather have entirely different goals and activities. My fraternity still has never had a black person, not because we are white trash racists, but because we have different ideologies, and just as a black person probably wouldn't get much out of our fraternity, he probably wouldn't fit in in our organization.

Xidelt · #7 07-09-2006, 10:24 PM

It's not an honest statement, it's his opinion. And to make himself look even more ignorant, elitist, and stupid, he goes with the "if it's older, it must be better" comment by jabbing somebody else's organization just because it was founded after his. And I'm trying to make the point that it was founded after his because the founding members weren't welcome in bowsandtoes organization because of racial attitudes/exclusion policies at the time. Don't tell me if there was a black student who wanted to be a Kappa Sig in 1900 they would have been allowed/welcomed with open arms into the brotherhood.

33girl · #8 07-09-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

My fraternity still has never had a black person

I believe you mean to say your CHAPTER has never had a black member.

And even with that qualifier, honey, you might be surprised.

DSTCHAOS · #9 07-10-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

Are all of them that way? No. Are most of them? Yes.

Now this is where you went wrong. MOST as opposed to MANY?

Out of hundreds of thousands of members at the undergraduate and graduate level, out of the doctors and lawyers and educators and leaders--you're prepared to say that MOST act as a STREET gang? A STREET gang? Do you know what that entails and implies?

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

And by the way, I can't believe you're actually bragging about founding dates in the 1900s.

Yes--WE as black people are bragging about founding dates in the 1900s. It isn't a big deal to white people being of the nature of racial domination in AmeriKKKan institutions back then and NOW, but it's a big deal to have had blacks (and Native Americans) in institutions of higher learning back then. Not to mention having the resources and foresight to found organizations that are now hundreds of thousands of members strong.

(How did this thread get HERE, btw? Where did School Daze go?

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f8nacn · #10 07-10-2006, 02:32 PM

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Not to mention having the resources and foresight to found organizations that are now hundreds of thousands of members strong

Against all odds the founders of these organizations prayed, pursued, and conquered!

BluBlaZon · #11 07-10-2006, 02:45 PM

Well I agree with DSTChaos and why is it that the people who have ONLY observed and are non-nphc talking about our mentality as an organization...you will find in the media alone that binge drinking and sexual perversion is more linked to non-nphc orgs. [not all], but some.

Of course we will celebrate our founding years because of the conditions that our orgs. were founded upon. Unlike some of these non-nphc people we as a nphc greeks utilize our orgs. for the betterment of our people [humans] through service and exhibiting love and embrace our memebership for a lifetime!

So to say that we are thuggish and a street gang....yes we are hardcore about our values that our founders have impressed upon us and as far as the street gang mantality...we do take it to the streets with our service, our scholarship and showcasing our bond.. don't try to make us sound negative if you have ONLY observed and not actually spent time with any members in a NPHC org.

This is address to the generalizations that were posted in this forum.

DSTCHAOS · #12 07-10-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BluBlaZon

Well I agree with DSTChaos and why is it that the people who have ONLY observed and are non-nphc talking about our mentality as an organization...you will find in the media alone that binge drinking and sexual perversion is more linked to non-nphc orgs. [not all], but some.

It goes both ways. Many NPHCers have unfounded opinions of NPC and IFCers.

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Originally Posted by BluBlaZon

So to say that we are thuggish and a street gang....yes we are hardcore about our values that our founders have impressed upon us and as far as the street gang mantality...we do take it to the streets with our service, our scholarship and showcasing our bond.. don't try to make us sound negative if you have ONLY observed and not actually spent time with any members in a NPHC org.

LOL...uh...okay.

But on the flip side, there are some "intelligent and not-so-intelligent hoodlums" in every organization. Not MOST but ENOUGH.

bows&toes · #13 07-10-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Now this is where you went wrong. MOST as opposed to MANY?

Out of hundreds of thousands of members at the undergraduate and graduate level, out of the doctors and lawyers and educators and leaders--you're prepared to say that MOST act as a STREET gang? A STREET gang? Do you know what that entails and implies?

I also said that was based only on MY experiences and that of my friends that I have discussed this with. Even if it is not true, the image most certainly is, and image is a big part in how people percieve our orgs.

shinerbock · #14 07-10-2006, 04:04 PM

Shortfuse, for the my sake, please read what I said before before trying to call me out. NPHC groups don't interest me. My reputation as a racist, however, does. So therefore, I will continue to respond to anyone referring to me. I didn't think that would be so difficult to understand...

Now did someone actually just say AmeriKKKan institutions? Thats the kinda shit that probably makes IFC people view some in NPHC's badly.

f8nacn · #15 07-10-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Now did someone actually just say

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AmeriKKKan institutions?

Thats the kinda shit that probably makes IFC people view some in NPHC's badly.

See how easily upset you were by that statement

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AmeriKKKan institutions?

. Thats how I and members of the NPHC organizations feel when you mentioned your limited interactions/research into those organizations.

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I also said that was based only on MY experiences and that of my friends that I have discussed this with. Even if it is not true, the image most certainly is, and image is a big part in how people percieve our orgs.

This is sad...so you are telling me that because of a few experiences, you have generalized your opinion to include a majority of NPHC members? Many, most, some...when speaking numbers, its hard to say who is and who isn't!

That's like saying ALL black people or MOST black people are poor and we KNOW that's not true...or all white people are racist and we know that isn't true! I'm sorry but a FEW ignorant/bad ones does not corrupt the entire bunch.