So What Happens Now?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
First of all, it is more like "one should be considered proven innocent before guilty, but it definitely does not always (and in most cases doesn't) happen that way, and even you're not naive enough to think that way. But lets just say that you are, that you really believe that all people are innocent before proven guilty, then why are you even engaged in this discussion? It still has not been proven that the victim has lied, they are in no way near a conclusion on this case, so by your own statement she should be considered innocent, right?

I'm not going to comment about other neighbors saying they didn't hear anything, because the 911 call transcript exists saying that it did. I hear a lot of things from my neighbors, but I also know that I don't hear everything, nor am I paying much attention to what is going on with them at any given time.

You can move to China. I hear they give you a trial and execute you in one day and send the bill to your family for the bullet.

And the claim is being made against the LAX players not the girl. WTF? You're pretty mung.

-Rudey

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by shinerbock
This issue is ridiculous. People keep saying "we don't know" and "there are holes on both sides." Yeah, the hole is, this woman is a stripper (likely a prostitute) who was injured beforehand, and is now trying to discredit a bunch of white kids without any evidence. Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute." I would not be at all surprised to see the criminal case dropped, and a civil case proceed (aka Kobe Bryant). Whats more disgusting than the fact that these kids are most likely having their lives wrongfully ruined, is that so many people are using this as a rallying point against the "white establishment." If you watched that conference, you probably understand what i'm talking about.

A stripper does not have to be a prostitute, and you have nothing on which to base that claim. And what exactly does she get out of "discrediting" a bunch of white kids??? And who said anything about the Duke boys pre-planning a rape...all rapes are not planned in advance a part of a masterminded plot (not saying that it doesn't happen ever). A lot of things seem unlikely...it seems unlikely that there was a reason for a whole sports team to hire a stripper, it seems unlikely that someone would let their name be dragged through the mud to cover up for someone else, but unlikely doesn't come close to equaling impossible.

And as a possible rape victim it is not unlikely that her life can be wrongfully ruined????

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
A stripper does not have to be a prostitute, and you have nothing on which to base that claim.

"The woman said the assault took place in the early hours of March 14 near Duke's East Campus. She had worked for an escort service to help support her two children and pay for classes at N.C. Central University".

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Did anyone just watch that conference at NC Central? Holy crap. I would have hated to be that DA, and I probably would have lost my temper and gotten myself killed.

This issue is ridiculous. People keep saying "we don't know" and "there are holes on both sides." Yeah, the hole is, this woman is a stripper (likely a prostitute) who was injured beforehand, and is now trying to discredit a bunch of white kids without any evidence. Call me whatever, but it seems unlikely a bunch of Duke kids decided, "you know what we should do tonight, rape a black prostitute." I would not be at all surprised to see the criminal case dropped, and a civil case proceed (aka Kobe Bryant). Whats more disgusting than the fact that these kids are most likely having their lives wrongfully ruined, is that so many people are using this as a rallying point against the "white establishment." If you watched that conference, you probably understand what i'm talking about.

Doesn't matter if she had sex with every man in NC before that night.

If she doesn't give consent, its rape. I don't understand why that's so hard to figure out. So what if she consented to things before...she has the right to NOT consent, and if sexual contact occurs after that then its rape.

[Ch2tf]

Originally posted by Rudey
You can move to China. I hear they give you a trial and execute you in one day and send the bill to your family for the bullet. And the claim is being made against the LAX players not the girl. WTF? You're pretty mung.

And again you missed the point/refused to see it because you don't happen to agree. If you honestly believe that everyone who receives a fair trial in this country then you are obviosly a lot me dense than even I thought you were.
And not the claim in this thread was not be made just against the LAX, you yourself have come out and said that the girl was lying-without proof to the nature of the claim. So I am not off target...but since you are let me clarify what I said in my previous post...

If one is to follow your previous statements about being innocent until proven guilty, then there is not need/justification for you claiming that the girl is lying because you cannot prove her guilt on that matter either.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Doesn't matter if she had sex with every man in NC before that night.

If she doesn't give consent, its rape. I don't understand why that's so hard to figure out. So what if she consented to things before...she has the right to NOT consent, and if sexual contact occurs after that then its rape.

Well consent or no consent there's no semen, latex, or lube and they didn't find DNA on other parts of her body that matched theirs.

So I'd like to know why that didn't show up on the girl?

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Ch2tf
And again you missed the point/refused to see it because you don't happen to agree. If you honestly believe that everyone who receives a fair trial in this country then you are obviosly a lot me dense than even I thought you were.
And not the claim in this thread was not be made just against the LAX, you yourself have come out and said that the girl was lying-without proof to the nature of the claim. So I am not off target...but since you are let me clarify what I said in my previous post...

If one is to follow your previous statements about being innocent until proven guilty, then there is not need/justification for you claiming that the girl is lying because you cannot prove her guilt on that matter either.

You are calling me dense? Are you kidding me?

THE CLAIM IS BY THE DA AGAINST THESE KIDS.

Seriously you are mung. I can't believe how mung you are but you are damn mung.

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Well consent or no consent there's no semen, latex, or lube and they didn't find DNA on other parts of her body that matched theirs.

So I'd like to know why that didn't show up on the girl?

-Rudey

That you know of. Just like you claim that this woman is lying, the media could be lying too.

Just because the DNA didn't match a player, doesn't mean that she wasn't raped by a friend of a player that was at the party.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
That you know of. Just like you claim that this woman is lying, the media could be lying too.

Just because the DNA didn't match a player, doesn't mean that she wasn't raped by a friend of a player that was at the party.

Well that's why I'm asking. They said they didn't find any semen, latex, or lube residue. That's what I don't get.

-Rudey

[macallan25]

No they wont.

Originally posted by KSigkid
I often wonder what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" in cases like this. No matter what happens, these guys will be labeled rapists for the rest of their life.

[macallan25]

Hey you know what, I think she is a dumb bitch crackhead stripper. I think she should rot in a gutter. She lied, tried to play the race card because it was a bunch of white guys (not trying to be racist, but its pretty evident), and she ruined or significantly changed the lives of a bunch of kids and one of the best lacrosse coaches in the country. She probobly is a prostitute. Just assuming. From watching the news they made it sound like her puss was beat up like a used catcher's mit....which only helped to add to her bullshit rape accusations.

Originally posted by mccoyred
Here we go with names again. First Limbaugh then macallan25 and now you. Stop it already! Just because she is a stripper does NOT mean she is a prostitute or a crackhead or ho or anything else like that. Now if she happens to be and those facts are proven, then fine but don't make assumptions because if you want to stick to the facts, then stick to them all the way not just when its convenient.

BTW, neither side has unlimited credibility.

[valkyrie]

What's the point of a bunch of people who have no idea what if any evidence will be presented at a trial that may or may not occur arguing about guilt/innocence/truth/lies on a message board?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by valkyrie
What's the point of a bunch of people who have no idea what if any evidence will be presented at a trial that may or may not occur arguing about guilt/innocence/truth/lies on a message board?

I guess so at the end of the trial, one half can say NAH-NAH I was right, and the other half can continue to argue pointlessly about how the jury was stacked/paid off/etc, and it really should have gone the other way.

[ilikehazing]

I find it kind of funny that the African American 75% of the board or whatever is backing the stripper claiming there could be still evidence to convict these white devils, whereas the white quarter is pointing out that there isn't any evidence. Whatever. I guess the divide still exists. Fine with me.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ilikehazing
I find it kind of funny that the African American 75% of the board or whatever is backing the stripper claiming there could be still evidence to convict these white devils, whereas the white quarter is pointing out that there isn't any evidence. Whatever. I guess the divide still exists. Fine with me.

The racial and class divide in this country still exists but that's obvious before this Duke case even came about.

I don't recall anyone in this thread saying anything about white devils. That must be a personal insecurity that you have. If people did mention white devils, those people are IDIOTS.

Have you ever thought that a large percentage of the people you OBSERVE backing the exotic dancer are backing her because of what they know about rape and sexual assault and NOT because she's a black woman who was allegedly victimized by a group of white men? This issue should really be about gender and how rape allegations are viewed, which is why there have been Taking Back the Night Rallies and gendered protests regarding this incident. It is interesting that some people who would NORMALLY be fighting for the rights of rape victims have suddenly started crying for hardfast evidence before voicing an opinion. When you add race to the mix, gender advocates suddenly sing a different tune.