Hazing creates a sense of unity - Page 24

AlphaFrog · #1 01-07-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Niats 174

we would have no pride for our individual chapters and it'd make for an overall....boring experience in my eyes

Are you going to haze your children before you're proud of them??

Niats 174 · #2 01-07-2008, 03:29 PM

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Are you going to haze your children before you're proud of them??

haha, again, an response that deals in no way with my original post. next.

AlphaFrog · #3 01-07-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Niats 174

haha, again, an response that deals in no way with my original post. next.

Apparently the point went that way --->

You don't have to have to be hazed to be proud. I'm proud to be an ASA, and an active Alumna, but I wasn't hazed.

Niats 174 · #4 01-07-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Apparently the point went that way --->

You don't have to have to be hazed to be proud. I'm proud to be an ASA, and an active Alumna, but I wasn't hazed.

true, but hazing 'can' be beneficial, and i think today we deal with a warped view for what constitutes as hazing. honestly, if you were to look through our manual, you'd look at half of the 'hazing' activities and think to yourself, seriously? my pledge brothers and i are able to look back at all those nights and laugh because they all make sense now.

Niats 174 · #5 01-07-2008, 03:50 PM

so, taking all this into consideration, how would you propose a transition for GLOs to a 'non-hazing' pledge process? and what would it consist of? sorority and fraternity alike, because, as i said earlier, some would view most GLOs on my campus as guilty of hazing.

AlphaFrog · #6 01-07-2008, 03:56 PM

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ok, risk management complete right? my mistake not turning off the signature

The problem is, even if you turn your sig off in this fourm, people already know what GLO/Chapter you are from other posts.

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Originally Posted by Niats 174

so, taking all this into consideration, how would you propose a transition for GLOs to a 'non-hazing' pledge process? and what would it consist of? sorority and fraternity alike, because, as i said earlier, some would view most GLOs on my campus as guilty of hazing.

Ok, here's the thing - when you had your chapter in your sig, it showed that your chapter was chartered in 1990. It's not like you've had a "long history of hazing" to transition from. And if your chapter decided they needed to haze because the other chapters on campus haze, then that's just kind of sad.

Niats 174 · #7 01-07-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

The problem is, even if you turn your sig off in this fourm, people already know what GLO/Chapter you are from other posts.

Ok, here's the thing - when you had your chapter in your sig, it showed that your chapter was chartered in 1990. It's not like you've had a "long history of hazing" to transition from. And if your chapter decided they needed to haze because the other chapters on campus haze, then that's just kind of sad.

i don't know about other chapters hazing back when we were colonized because none of them are around anymore, but we have very active alumni...i don't know, i don't see others desiring to have a complete overhaul, especially if other chapters don't follow suit

RaggedyAnn · #8 01-08-2008, 10:31 AM

I have a true story.

Last fall I ran into two young men at work. I found out that they were part of a GLO at the local university and asked them if they knew one of their pledges worked there. They did not. No big deal, except one of the brothers did not even know the pledge. Why the big deal? That brother was the President of the GLO-which I knew was hazing. You tell me, does that sound like unity?

I think you can be unified without hazing. Your family doesn't haze. Churches don't haze. Did you haze your best friend? What about boy scouts or girl scouts?

cuteASAbug · #9 01-08-2008, 10:33 AM

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Last fall I ran into two young men at work. I found out that they were part of a GLO at the local university and asked them if they knew one of their pledges worked there. They did not. No big deal, except one of the brothers did not even know the pledge. Why the big deal? That brother was the President of the GLO-which I knew was hazing. You tell me, does that sound like unity?

I'm confused- the guys didn't know that they worked with one of their new members?

MysticCat · #10 01-08-2008, 10:40 AM

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I'm confused- the guys didn't know that they worked with one of their new members?

No, I think she's saying the president of the chapter didn't know one of the pledges in his chapter.

DSTCHAOS · #11 01-08-2008, 01:45 PM

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I think you can be unified without hazing. Your family doesn't haze. Churches don't haze. Did you haze your best friend? What about boy scouts or girl scouts?

My friends and I hazed each other in the beginning of our friendship process. Hazing in this sense isn't based on the narrow definition of hazing provided by the anti-hazing buffs, though.

There are different forms of hazing in all of these institutions. Every institution has rituals, rites of passage, and things that members must do to be received by the other members. Some of these things are lightweight (just as some of the things GLOers do that gets labeled "hazing" is extremely lightweight but "bad" because aspirants and members don't have a choice) and other things are more intense depending on whose family, friends, church, and boy scout troop you're talking about.

MysticCat · #12 01-08-2008, 04:41 PM

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There are different forms of hazing in all of these institutions. Every institution has rituals, rites of passage, and things that members must do to be received by the other members. Some of these things are lightweight (just as some of the things GLOers do that gets labeled "hazing" is extremely lightweight but "bad" because aspirants and members don't have a choice) and other things are more intense depending on whose family, friends, church, and boy scout troop you're talking about.

Very true.

And as for Scouts, I do remember well the searches at camporees for left-handed monkey-wrenches, flag-pole keys and smoke shifters.

Tom Earp · #13 01-08-2008, 04:48 PM

And how times have changed.

Hazing has become a no no of any kind as manytimes even the most minor to some changed and became a hazard.

cuteASAbug · #14 01-08-2008, 10:42 AM

so that means he's clearly not the brightest crayon in the box- how is that hazing though?

MysticCat · #15 01-08-2008, 10:54 AM

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so that means he's clearly not the brightest crayon in the box- how is that hazing though?

LOL. It's not. I think she was responding to the "hazing creates unity" claim -- she knew these guys were from a chapter that hazes, yet they didn't have enough unity for the chapter president to know one of his own pledges.

I'm not sure it's an apt example, though. The "hazing creates unity" claim is usually made regarding unity within a pledge class ("we suffered together, we got each other through it, it made us stronger and closer"), not an entire chapter as such.

With the disclaimer that I do not support hazing of any kind, I'll say again what I've said before -- hazing, while destructive (for want of a better word) does, I think, tap into some very deep-rooted instincts and needs, at least for guys. I think that the laudable efforts to end hazing can only really succeed if we are aware of that and actively look for more constructive ways to meet those needs.