Pikes at Howard Update

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by mccoyred
Student groups, esp Greek orgs, can only be organized on campus WITH THE PERMISSION of the school administration, esp at HBCUs. Those who attended HBCUs can speak more to this topic but I understand that these schools tend to regiment structures such as membership intake for the Greek orgs.

Therefore, your premise is FALSE.

No, My premise is not False.

Granted any Organization has to be recognized by The College.

"My main point being, there were a Group of Men who decided that they wanted something different than was being offered". They did not just go to PKA and say We want You whether the College wants You or not.

These Young Men made the decision and proceeded with getting PKA in becoming interested in Colonizing there.

I do not beleive PKA or anyother NIC/NPC Organization will ever go to a Campus where they are not wanted.

LXA would not have gone onto NC A & T unless We were welcomed.

Let them do their thing and live or die, not with everyone on GC trying to make decisions for them. None of You made the decision anyway.

None seem to want to listen to anyone such as the posters who :

1. Is a member of the Founding Colony.
2. A Member of another GLO who holds a Very High Position of His Organization.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
lady greek you're absolutely right - to get a CHARTER, the university has to sign off on it - that's the same with our group as well - but while they are striving towards that chartering date, they are just a org - no different that the dodgeball club, except they probably have to go through the step of havng Greek Council or IFC or Panhel saying that they can be on campus. But the university allows for those all encompassing groups to give initial approval.

Not in Delta. A group of young ladies call our NHQ and express an interest in chartering a chapter. They are sent application materials. Included in these materials is a approval form that the school must sign. If the school does not approve the request, the process is done and the group is not allowed to exist even remotely in the name of Delta.

If the request is approved by the school (and of course Delta) then the group is formalized and the process begins and it's usually no longer than two to three months.

You're right it is one of those differences between our two organizations in that we do not have colonies.

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Sorry buddy, but I've never been one for handouts, which could explain why I'm working on my second master's degree. According to you, I'm sitting at home ranting against the man and collecting welfare checks. Its so easy to "ass"ume something negative about me, instead of actually listening to people when they tell you that your posts are offensive. Yeah I'm angry, cause I could be the most successful woman in the world, and folks like you would still think I'm a product of handouts and quotas, instead of working hard and getting somewhere on my own merit.

Try again.

I do not want this post to get lost in the midst of all this other stuf. What jubilance1922 said right here needs to precede every other post made by these kids erik conrad and saetex or whatever their names are. Every now and then I get a little miffed at some of the ignorance spouted like people like them an at that point, I take my GC break, but I wanted to make SURE this post was seen and read by the intended reader. See it? GET it? Good.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by Phasad1913
.......every other post made by these kids erik conrad and saetex or whatever their names are. ......

Erik Conrad is about ten minutes younger than dirt.

Just wanted to make sure you knew.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Erik Conrad is about ten minutes younger than dirt.

Just wanted to make sure you knew.

CTHU!!!!!!!!
I would also like to add - too dayum old to be having hissy fits on the internet, or otherwise.

Carry on...................

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by FeeFee
CTHU!!!!!!!!
I would also like to add - too dayum old to be having hissy fits on the internet, or otherwise.

Carry on...................

What's age got to do with it? So a person past a certain age is not allowed to get angry, or as you say have a "hissy fit" on the Internet, nor in RL?

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by ladygreek
What's age got to do with it? So a person past a certain age is not allowed to get angry, or as you say have a "hissy fit" on the Internet, nor in RL?

I only said that because Eric's constant going on rants about things he has no knowledge of.

*Please don't beat me. I'll be good next time. In the meantime, I'll just stand in the corner *

[Erik P Conard]

while you are farting in the bathtub, I am still happy to see you
are on top of it all.....Har har har de har har

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
And the "us" has been used many times on this site. It is first person plural but not necessarily all-inclusive. Is that too much for you to grasp?

If you're going to say "us" (especially in regards to a topic in which plural pronouns are QUITE OFTEN used to denote an entire race/class of people) please at least clarify which "us" to which you are referring.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Jody
Is the chapter still active and is it predominately white? I guess I was suprised that Howard had enough white men to start a chapter of a predominately white fraternity. I know the chapter will be mixed but I just can't imagine a predominately white fraternity having a black chapter

Alpha Phi Omega has 51 "black chapters" (read: issued 51 charters at HBCUs), the majority of which were long before the fraternity went coed. The first one was at Johnson C. Smith back in 1947, and the second was at Howard a year later.

I mention this because frankly, Alpha Phi Omega was one of the first fraternities to proactively push to break down racial barriers with regards to membership long before other GLOs even cared to even think about dealing with such an issue.

So as far as predominately white fraternities with black chapters go, Alpha Phi Omega was at the forefront of all-inclusive membership at a time when most orgs was just talking about it, APO was actually being about it.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Alpha Phi Omega has 51 "black chapters" (read: issued 51 charters at HBCUs), the majority of which were long before the fraternity went coed. The first one was at Johnson C. Smith back in 1947, and the second was at Howard a year later.

I mention this because frankly, Alpha Phi Omega was one of the first fraternities to proactively push to break down racial barriers with regards to membership long before other GLOs even cared to even think about dealing with such an issue.

So as far as predominately white fraternities with black chapters go, Alpha Phi Omega was at the forefront of all-inclusive membership at a time when most orgs was just talking about it, APO was actually being about it.

I've been thinking about all this the whole time through both Pike at Howard threads, but I didn't want Tom Earp to tell me that we didn't count.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by PKPILZ003
OK, we've gotten the history lesson on where HBGLO's got there start and we see where many people stand on this (Congrats on APhiA and their 100 years this year.. we've also beaten the "whites only clause" issue to death as well. Here's my 2 cents on the issue.

I am the only male member of my family that's college educated and not an Alpha. I did that becuase I wanted to start something as opposed to join anything - i'm not a joiner; im a leader. I hope the guys they get for Pike are that way as well. At my fraternity's last 2 national conventions, i suggested that we do what Pike has now done. What saddens me is that when a predominetely white group comes on a black campus (Sigma Pi did the same thing at Middle tennessee state a few years back) the campus fights back instead of accepting that competition breeds grouwth for all. Not everyone at Howard fits the mold of the D9 - so they needed something else - I'm only upset that the something else isn't Green and Red.

To my Greek Brothers and Sisters at Howard - just becuase someone was an ass before doesn't mean they are still an ass-yeah, they were racist back in the day - every white group was, either with or without "the clause"; but give them a chance and see how they help the fabric of your campus before your castigate them for it.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST!

Very well said.

You have hit the nail on the head as to what the core issue on what this entire debate is all about!

Now everyone, forget all the snide jabs and smart-@$$ comments everyone has been throwing around, because it’s totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand and listen up to what I am about to say.

The reason why some people in the NPHC don’t want to Pikes to come to Howard is rooted in ELITISM, which is in essence a form of classism, whereby one group of people express a sense of superiority over another group of people via a sense of privilege, be it real or perceived. THAT is why I “hate” the NPHC orgs so much. As if being a black person isn’t enough of a challenge, I have a group of “my own people” looking down on me or clowning me because I didn’t join one of their organizations? Well, let me tell all the NPHC folk why I never joined one of their orgs, or for that matter, never had enough “energy” to pursue membership in a graduate/alumni chapter. For the record it was because deep down, I simply do not think that with my personality, that I would make a good “fit” in any of the so called “D5” orgs. I would look good on paper for any of the 5 orgs as far as the org’s principles would go, but from a social bonding standpoint, even if I did join, I would still feel like a square peg in a round hole. So if I was to start my own org or join one that would be more ideal to my personality and style, sure NPHC folk would say, “Do your thing”, or “Whatever floats your boat”, but I know a lot of them would whisper behind my back, “He probably got a rejection letter(s) from [insert “D5” org of your choice here].

Why are black college students socially obligated to seek NPHC orgs without risk of ridicule from their peers? It’s interesting to hear NPHC members proudly declare their selectivity and exclusiveness in one breath, and in another breath snicker at someone who joined an NIC/NPC org or a service GLO. I say it’s interesting because chances are, you wouldn’t have taken the person in the first place, and since the individual bypassed the NPHC to join something that was for them more lucrative, it’s almost as if the NPHC is mad at them because the individual didn’t give the NPHC a chance to reject them first, almost as if to spite them. This is just my personal take on it, and I will not debate this point with anyone, as it will be an exercise in futility.

But here is my point of contention with regards to the NPHC elitism as it pertains to the Pikes at Howard: The elitism is so thick, that the NPHC dissenters is not doing the one thing to the Pikes with regards to their racist past that God asks every man do to one another:

FORGIVE THEM!!!

Sure the Pikes may have had a racist origination, clauses, or behaviors, but the important thing right now is that they saw the error of their ways and corrected them. And the NPHC dissenters is still holding them accountable to their past. Well, two wrongs don’t make a right and it doesn’t make it even, either!

So in essence, this whole issue of NPHC elitism is the very thing that makes me want to post and debate on CG time and time again. I hate, abhor, loathe, and despise it. And for the record, as long as it continues, I will continue to contest, fight, and debate it. Because after all, if you don’t take a stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. And in this case, I have to say that the NPHC dissenters are clearly in the wrong on this one.

In short, join a GLO for where you will best fit, not for what you will mostly get. (hey, I like the rhyme scheme). And if that happens to be a NIC/NPC org, more power to ya.

Still fightin’ after 6 years on GreekChat,

Rain Man

[Erik P Conard]

Some NIC fraternities had black members before 1947 but that is
not the issue any more than Theta Xi had non-engineering members of Delta Chi had lawyers.
Alpha Phi Omega did not count, they had no house, they operated
as a club of boy scout alums; SAEs and Betas, even Pikes, could join. You are talking as a wannabe and while APO is in the
IFC on some campi (campuses) it is hardly in the mainstream of the traditional fraternity, the NIC one, so you are mixing apples with oranges. Is that hard for you to understand, smedley?

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Some NIC fraternities had black members before 1947 but that is
not the issue any more than Theta Xi had non-engineering members of Delta Chi had lawyers.
Alpha Phi Omega did not count, they had no house, they operated
as a club of boy scout alums; SAEs and Betas, even Pikes, could join. You are talking as a wannabe and while APO is in the
IFC on some campi (campuses) it is hardly in the mainstream of the traditional fraternity, the NIC one, so you are mixing apples with oranges. Is that hard for you to understand, smedley?

Actually.....

In this case, APO does count. You see, APO chapters don't exist in a vacuum. The fact that APO DOES have SAEs and Betas and Pikes says something valuable here.

APO was a fraternity of men -- all men, and mostly white -- that expanded to historically black colleges at a time when NIC fraternities were not. Yet, many of those men were also members of NIC fraternities.

I wasn't going to let you trash-talk my fraternity when frankly, an all-white GLO is an all-white GLO, regardless of what type of "outfit" is is. It MEANS something that a group of white men colonized at an HBCU. In 1947. And again and again for years and years.

Not a club -- but a fraternity.

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Erik Conrad is about ten minutes younger than dirt.

Just wanted to make sure you knew.

LOL. I really don't care. Based on the level of intelligence reflected by his commentary, he's a kid in my book.