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Old 12-02-2005, 12:08 PM
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I think it has to do with what "white" means in the first place. The entire history of whiteness is completely wrapped up in superiority and power issues - you can't really separate it from that. I don't want to go off on a complete tangent here, but people didn't used to be "white", they used to be different nationalities like English or French or Irish or whatever else - whiteness is something that has developed over time to distinguish who is "in" and who is "out", who is the "other", the non-white, and who gets to be in what club has changed over time completely based on power struggles (check out the Irish, for example). You can't ignore that history - "white pride" is inherently racist. You want to see people proud of being white? Check this out: www.natvan.org If you are white and want to be proud of something, be proud of family or national history and accomplishments - but don't get all puffed up over your skin color, it's a bunch of sh*t.
This post is extremely offensive. I am white, and my familiy's history has zero superiority or power in it. My Irish family starved at the hands of the English, was persecuted for their religious beliefs, and ultimately had little choice but to leave their beloved native land. My German family came here during the rise of Nazism, and my Grandmother spoke of having nothing to eat but old bread spread with lard.

Yes, whites do come from a variety of different nationalities, but so do black people. I have several friends who are from Nigeria, another from Uganda, and yet another from St. Lucia. Their family histories are completely different. To lump them all together by skin color would be ignorant.

Also, I couldn't get that link to work, so if I misinterpreted your post by missing what you linked, I apologize,.
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