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MysticCat- My grandmother was from Berlin, and her best childhood friend and her best friend's brother decided not to do the Hitler Youth, and never did. They still live in Berlin, and never mentioned having ot get a "waiver" to not join, apparently they told their parents that they didn't want to, and weren't forced at all. My grandmother didn't join the Hitler Youth, but that was all shortly before she left for a concentration camp.
And Rudey- I am a Jew against the current pope, but as I'm not Catholic, I don't feel that my opinion matters in the slightest. If this who the Catholic Cardinals want to lead, who am I to shun their traditions? It's not like they haven't been shunning mine for centuries.... oh, whoops!
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