Suicide/Too short?

[KCsunshinec44]

I searched and could not find what exactly the greek term "suicide" meant, I plan to rush so im trying to understand it. If i missed an earlier thread about it a link would be great! ALSO i bought a dress for rush and its pretty high above the knee (about where your finger tips reach on your thighs) but i have long legs everything looks hoochy! Should i ditch the shorter pieces?
Thanks!!!

[AlwaysSAI]

Suiciding is when a PNM chooses to put only one chapter on her preference card, even if she attended two preference parties. If that chapter does not offer her a bid, she will most likely go bidless--because she did not list any other chapters.

[KCsunshinec44]

but why wouldnt the PNM just put the one she liked more as her number one? :/ just to be safe...

[tld221]

i wanted first dibs, and i know its not my lane and all but here goes:

1. suicide/"Single Intentional Preference": when you intentionally fill in one and only one house on your bid card after prefs. So you would be saying "i would only accept a bid from XYZ house or nothing at all." from what i've read on this board, there are mixed opinions on it. on one hand, if you know what you want, then why not? but on the other hand, you should try to maximize your chances when going through rush/recruitment.

2. id err on the side of caution. not that ive gone through rush or anything, but you dont want to come off as "hoochy." i mean you dont have to wear ankle-length skirts or turtlenecks. but i think a skirt/dress that short would be a bit much. of course campus culture, region, etc comes into play...

but again, im going based on what ive read here on GC. there are many threads on here that address the suicide/SIP issue and the "what not to wear" issue.

sheesh, what an interesting combo for a post.

ETA: phooey, wasnt fast enough. no cookie for me.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by KCsunshinec44

but why wouldnt the PNM just put the one she liked more as her number one? :/ just to be safe...

You still list the one you like MOST as your #1. However, if you would be willing to accept a bid from the other chapter you attended preference parties at (at some schools, the other two chapters), you can list your second choice (and possibly third) as #2 (and #3) on your bid card. That way, if your #1 choice doesn't offer you a bid, you could get a bid from your second and third choice.

If you aren't willing to accept a bid from the second choice chapter, you don't have to list it. That's a single intentional preference. But then you have to be willing to accept the fact that you might go bidless.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by tld221

i wanted first dibs, and i know its not my lane and all but here goes:

1. suicide/"Single Intentional Preference": when you intentionally fill in one and only one house on your bid card after prefs. So you would be saying "i would only accept a bid from XYZ house or nothing at all." from what i've read on this board, there are mixed opinions on it. on one hand, if you know what you want, then why not? but on the other hand, you should try to maximize your chances when going through rush/recruitment.

2. id err on the side of caution. not that ive gone through rush or anything, but you dont want to come off as "hoochy." i mean you dont have to wear ankle-length skirts or turtlenecks. but i think a skirt/dress that short would be a bit much. of course campus culture, region, etc comes into play...

but again, im going based on what ive read here on GC. there are many threads on here that address the suicide/SIP issue and the "what not to wear" issue.

sheesh, what an interesting combo for a post.

ETA: phooey, wasnt fast enough. no cookie for me.

You can have a cookie! You were accurate and detailed. A+

[Elephant Walk]

It's a greek system so competitive that girls kill themselves if they don't get the right house.

[KSUViolet06]

Example:

Let's say I get invited to preference round parties at XYZ, DEF, and ABC.

After the parties, I'm supposed to list those 3 on my final card, in order of preference. So if ABC was my fave, I would list them #1, and also put the other 2 as my 2nd and 3rd choice because I still like them and would take a bid from either of them if I didn't get one from ABC. This ensures that I've maximized my chances of receiving a bid because I have listed the max number of chapters allowed on a pref card. This does not neccessarily guarantee a bid (as there are instances where a girl is "cross cut" and doesn't get a bid from any of the 3), but it does help your chances immensely.
In contrast:


"Suiciding" is when I attend those 3 preference parties (ABC, DEF, XYZ) but in the end decide that I would ONLY accept a bid from my #1 choice (ABC) since they are my favorite. So on my final card, I only list ABC as #1 and don't list the other 2 AT ALL. So instead of having 3 sororities on my final card, I only have my fave, ABC. So I only have one option, and if I don't get a bid from ABC, I GET NO BID AT ALL on Bid Day (because I have no 2nd or 3rd choices listed).

It's called "suiciding" just because as you can see, it's risky. You have to be pretty sure that this one sorority wants you enough to give you a bid, and you also would have to be okay with going completely bidless if they didn't give you one. It's not impossible for girls to "suicide" and get a bid, but it's not the norm (since it is discouraged at most schools because they want as many girls to get bids as possible).

[Jill1228]

Err on the side of caution for a dress.
If you can bend over and possibly see ass for days, then it is too damn short

Err on the conservative side. Hoochy mama clothes are not good for recruitment

[gee_ess]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

It's a greek system so competitive that girls kill themselves if they don't get the right house.

EW, do you need another parental lecture? Be a help, not a hindrance.

[FSUZeta]

i agree with the others who have advised you to save the short dress for another occasion. you are trying to impress girls, not guys, so go with a dress that is a little longer. it does not have to be down to your knees, but should be long enough that if you sit down at a party, you aren't flashing anyone.

[ta kala]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

This ensures that during bid matching, I will still end up with a bid on Bid Day even if it's not my top choice.

Not entirely. There are women who have been "cross cut" and have not received a bid from any chapter they listed, even if they maximized their options. There are some schools that do promise a bid if you maximize, but not all.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

It's a greek system so competitive that girls kill themselves if they don't get the right house.

LMAO

I so needed this laugh.

[twinkle555]

KC,
All of these are great descriptions of what "suiciding" aka ISP, "Intentional Single Pref" are. For the most part, I dont think it is ever a good idea to suicide. There are way too many risks involved in the recruitment process that make it not worth it to me.

Besides, if a chapter invited you back all week, they must see something great in you that perhaps you dont see in yourself, which is a genuinly good thing. Although, on my campus (not sure if this is true everywhere), if you receive a bid from a chapter on bid day, and you gave them a chance and they still werent for you, you would have to wait a calendar year to go through recruitment again.

As for the dress issue: Is it a sundress or a more formal pref dress? I was thinking if it were a casual, cute dress, say like from Forever 21, you could get away with wearing leggings underneath since they are in style

Good luck, keep us posted and have fun at recruitment!

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by ta kala

Not entirely. There are women who have been "cross cut" and have not received a bid from any chapter they listed, even if they maximized their options. There are some schools that do promise a bid if you maximize, but not all.

Oh my goodness I went back and read my post and totally realized that I was incorrect. How could I forget that? I'll edit.