Donovan McNabb and the Philly NAACP Leader

[TristanDSP]

I can't believe no one's talking about this on the general chat forums yet....this is GC people!

Anyway, does this guy think that EVERY black QB is a scrambler, even a GOOD scrambler? Has he SEEN Charlie Batch or Aaron Brooks?

Does he remember that the first and only black QB to win the Super Bowl, Doug Williams, could not run to save his life? Does he remember pocket passers like Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham?

They brought up a very good point on ESPN....Donovan has been nothing but a class act, (to quote Charles Barkeley: "He doesn;t act a fool") why is that all of a sudden being a token or a sellout?

The more shit McNabb gets and the more drama he gets pulled into, the more I respect him for the way he handles it.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

NAACP blasts local leader for comments about McNabb
December 15, 2005

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The chief executive officer of the NAACP criticized the president of its Philadelphia branch Thursday for racially charged comments made about Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Bruce Gordon, who heads the Baltimore-based National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, issued a statement calling McNabb "a great quarterback, an excellent role model and a class act" and said he intended to apologize for denigrating remarks made by Philadelphia chapter president J. Whyatt Mondesire.

"The NAACP has many civil rights issues that require our attention," Gordon said. "Criticizing Donovan McNabb is not one of them."

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Mondesire, who also publishes the Philadelphia Sunday Sun, criticized the quarterback's proclivity for passing in a Dec. 4 newspaper column.

He wrote that McNabb's tendency to run the ball early in his career "not only confused defenses, it also thrilled Eagles fans," and that abandoning that element "by claiming that 'everybody expects black quarterbacks to scramble' not only amounts to a breach of faith but also belittles the real struggles of black athletes who've had to overcome real racial stereotypcasting in addition to downright segregation."

Mondesire said Thursday he was not speaking in his capacity as a branch leader.

"This has nothing to do with the NAACP. It's my opinion," he said.

McNabb could not be reached for comment Thursday, but said last weekend that "I always thought the NAACP supported African Americans and didn't talk bad about them."

"If you talk about my play, that's one thing," McNabb said. "When you talk about my race, now we've got problems."

[madmax]

Stick to the soccer threads. I will take care of all other sports, except the two man luge and curling. I will let RACooper handle them.


Donovan McNabb is a pussssssssy and a mamas boy. Jerry Mondesire hit the nail on the head. McNabb's strength is his running ability but he decided that he doesn't want to run the ball because he didn't want to be perceived as a stereotypical running QB aka a black QB. It is one thing if a QB can't run, but it is another for a great runner who has run in the past to one day decide that he isn't going to run anymore. McNabb isn't doing his job the the best of his abilities. It would be like Michael Vick deciding he doesn't want to run anymore.

Who cares if McNabb is a class act? Being a class act doens't make you a great QB. Bruce Gordon is an idiot. If he thinks Kordell McNabb is a great QB he should go back and watch the Super Bowl when Mcnabb was too tired to run the 2 minute drill. Ther are only 3 great QBs in the league today. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer. After that there is a huge dropoff.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by TristanDSP
McNabb could not be reached for comment Thursday, but said last weekend that "I always thought the NAACP supported African Americans and didn't talk bad about them."

"If you talk about my play, that's one thing," McNabb said. "When you talk about my race, now we've got problems."

ESPN featured this on Outside the Lines the other day and I thought it was really interesting. I have to say I agree with McNabb and think Mondesire was out of line -- as did the two guests on the show, Warren Moon and John Smallwood.

McNabb is just trying to do his job as well as he can. What happens to quarterbacks who scramble all the time? They get hurt. I think he is trying to develop as a player and be as successful as he can while expanding his abilities and preserving his health. It's pretty lame that one dude is going to accuse him of selling out or breaching faith or belitting anyone because of decisions he's made about how he wants to play football -- it sounds to me like McNabb is facing a real struggle as a black athlete right now.

[Tom Earp]

He is still a bigger MAN the T O!

I hope T O is out of Football! He Belittles His Team Mates way to much.

Get a job fliping Jumbo Size Burgers! Oh, Construction would be good with all of the Muscles in Your Head!

There are People Asians, Blacks, and Whites Who have a lot more class!

I hope McNabb tells the Head NAACP Leader in Hoemy Town to screw off!

[madmax]

Originally posted by valkyrie
ESPN featured this on Outside the Lines the other day and I thought it was really interesting. I have to say I agree with McNabb and think Mondesire was out of line -- as did the two guests on the show, Warren Moon and John Smallwood.

McNabb is just trying to do his job as well as he can. What happens to quarterbacks who scramble all the time? They get hurt. I think he is trying to develop as a player and be as successful as he can while expanding his abilities and preserving his health. It's pretty lame that one dude is going to accuse him of selling out or breaching faith or belitting anyone because of decisions he's made about how he wants to play football -- it sounds to me like McNabb is facing a real struggle as a black athlete right now.

You know less about football than Tristan. Most of your points are wrong. Jerry Mondesire is not the only guy belittling McNabb. The majority of Philadelphia agrees with Mondesire. McNabb is not doing his job as well as he can. He is a great runner who has decided he doesn't want to run the ball. That wouldn't be a big deal if he was a good pocket passer, which he is not. His accuracy sucks and he makes bad decisions. McNabb spends more time working out at TGIFridays on City Line Ave than he does at the gym. McNabb is about 40 lbs overweight. Who cares about ESPN? Those are the same morons that thought Rich Kotite was a good coach.

You didn't offer anything that disputed anything that Mondesire wrote in his column. You actually confirmed the main points. McNabb is black and he no longer wants to run the ball.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by madmax
You know less about football than Tristan. Most of your points are wrong. Jerry Mondesire is not the only guy belittling McNabb. The majority of Philadelphia agrees with Mondesire. McNabb is not doing his job as well as he can. He is a great runner who has decided he doesn't want to run the ball. That wouldn't be a big deal if he was a good pocket passer, which he is not. His accuracy sucks and he makes bad decisions. McNabb spends more time working out at TGIFridays on City Line Ave than he does at the gym. McNabb is about 40 lbs overweight. Who cares about ESPN? Those are the same morons that thought Rich Kotite was a good coach.

You didn't offer anything that disputed anything that Mondesire wrote in his column. You actually confirmed the main points. McNabb is black and he no longer wants to run the ball.

You're missing the point. If you want to be critical of him for being a sucky quarterback this year, go ahead. To say that how he's playing makes him a bad black man is bullshit.

[madmax]

Originally posted by valkyrie
You're missing the point. If you want to be critical of him for being a sucky quarterback this year, go ahead. To say that how he's playing makes him a bad black man is bullshit.

You are missing the point. You watched a 5 minute clip on ESPN and now you think you are an expert on the subject.

McNabb and his family brought up the race issue. Mondesire responded to comments that were initiated by McNabb. If McNabb didn't want race to be an issue then he should not have brought it up.


What did Mondesire say that was inaccurate?


Many people have judged McNabb simply as a quarterback. There has been criticism about his accuracy, decision making, and conditioning. McNabb has dismissed the critizism as racism or jealousy.

[valkyrie]

You're right. All I know about football is what I learned from watching ESPN the other day. You are the only person on GC who is qualified to write about football or being a black man.

[TristanDSP]

Seriously, what makes you more knowledgeable then any other casual NFL fan? Just because we don't watch the NFL network and beat off doesn't make us any less knowledgeable than you.

Donovan has gotten to four straight conference title games, something Tom Brady hasn't even done. Remember how bad the Eagles were before he got there. He's dealt with fans on draft day, comments from Rush, the immaturity of T.O and Mondesire's comments.

McNabb had a 31-8 touchdown-to-INT ratio last year, and he got the hernia because of a questionable cheap shot, and he still tried to go out there and win. What more do you want?

I never said being a class act made you a great QB, all I'm saying is he's handled all this crap with class, and didn't affect him on the field. Remember early in this year when the Eagles looked good, and he was the only reason why. They were 4-2 at one point, and now they're out of the playoffs. Yeah, they've been getting injured, but how's Mike McMahon doing?

But, if you honestly think Mike McMahon or Koy Detmer is the answer to your problems, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Don't worry Valkrie, a wise man said "You can't change someone's mind when they think that stupid."

In essence, don't play the "you don't know nothing about the subject" card. That's Rudey's job, and you suck at it.

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by valkyrie
You are the only person on GC who is qualified to write about football or being a black man.

Um, he damn sure isn't qualified to write about being a black man.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Um, he damn sure isn't qualified to write about being a black man.

Oh man! I thought he was an expert because one time, he saw a black man walking down the street.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by TristanDSP
Donovan has gotten to four straight conference title games, something Tom Brady hasn't even done. Remember how bad the Eagles were before he got there. He's dealt with fans on draft day, comments from Rush, the immaturity of T.O and Mondesire's comments.

Um . . . you're not good at Eagles history, Stan.

Also, comparing McNabb to Brady is borderline laughable, under the criteria you've assigned:

McNabb:
-4 straight conference title games
-1 win
-Had TO last year
-Has always had solid weapons in the backfield, from Staley to Westbrook to the forgotten body of Buckhalter

Brady:
-3 out of 4 conference title games
-3 wins
-3 Super Bowl wins
-has NEVER had anyone on TO's level (although I'll agree, prior to TO the teams were comparable at best)
-Before Dillon, had potentially the worst possible rushing situation, and none of these guys (including Dillon) are huge threats out of the backfield

The defenses are comparable, over this time period, as well. Now who's done more?

[TristanDSP]

Fair enough, but c'mon, you really think the Eagles would have gotten THAT far without McNabb?

You don't have to tell me about Brady, and Brady's not the end all be all of comparison, but don't tell me the Eagles would have done what they've done without him. All conferences aside, it's still hard to get to THAT game.

Didn't they get through the playoffs to reach the Super Bowl WITHOUT an injured T.O?

You're right sorta-I don't know EVERYTHING about The Eagles, cause they're not my team, just like I don't know everything about the Seahawks...I just don't want to hear someone who's basically on the same level as us telling me I don't know ANYTHING....

[madmax]

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Um, he damn sure isn't qualified to write about being a black man.

Is the head of the Philadelphia chapter of the NAACP qualified to write about being a black man?

[madmax]

Originally posted by TristanDSP
Fair enough, but c'mon, you really think the Eagles would have gotten THAT far without McNabb?

You don't have to tell me about Brady, and Brady's not the end all be all of comparison, but don't tell me the Eagles would have done what they've done without him. All conferences aside, it's still hard to get to THAT game.

Didn't they get through the playoffs to reach the Super Bowl WITHOUT an injured T.O?

You're right sorta-I don't know EVERYTHING about The Eagles, cause they're not my team, just like I don't know everything about the Seahawks...I just don't want to hear someone who's basically on the same level as us telling me I don't know ANYTHING....

Originally posted by TristanDSP
Seriously, what makes you more knowledgeable then any other casual NFL fan? Just because we don't watch the NFL network and beat off doesn't make us any less knowledgeable than you.

Donovan has gotten to four straight conference title games, something Tom Brady hasn't even done. Remember how bad the Eagles were before he got there. He's dealt with fans on draft day, comments from Rush, the immaturity of T.O and Mondesire's comments.

McNabb had a 31-8 touchdown-to-INT ratio last year, and he got the hernia because of a questionable cheap shot, and he still tried to go out there and win. What more do you want?

I never said being a class act made you a great QB, all I'm saying is he's handled all this crap with class, and didn't affect him on the field. Remember early in this year when the Eagles looked good, and he was the only reason why. They were 4-2 at one point, and now they're out of the playoffs. Yeah, they've been getting injured, but how's Mike McMahon doing?

But, if you honestly think Mike McMahon or Koy Detmer is the answer to your problems, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Don't worry Valkrie, a wise man said "You can't change someone's mind when they think that stupid."

In essence, don't play the "you don't know nothing about the subject" card. That's Rudey's job, and you suck at it.

You are clueless on this subject and you are wrong on a number of points. The only thing you have right is the fact that you don't know everything about the Eagles.

You are wrong about us being on the same level on the subject. I know more about the Eagles because I live in Philadelphia and I was a season ticket holder while you were going to LA Galaxy games.

You are wrong about McNabb being the ONLY reason why the Eagles were 4-2. The strength of the Eagles over the last 5 years was actually the defense and special teams. The only year the Eagles had a legit passing game was the one year with TO. Since you are from San Diego lets look at the Chargers game. The Eagles offense sucked!! The Eagles defense shut down Ladamien Tomlinson and it was the special teams that blocked a kick and returned it for the game winning touchdown. Good job Donovan.

I remember the Giants games a few years ago when the "high powered" passing attack of Donovan to Freddie Mitchell, James Thrash, and Todd Pinkston compiled 85 yards through the air. The defense played great and only gave up 7 pts. David Ackers kicked 2 field goals and Brian Westbrook returned a kick for a TD with under a minute to go to give the Eagles a 13-7 win. Great job Donovan. The offense scored 0 points and the Eagles still won.


Two years ago Donovan only had about 15 TD and most of them were actually1 yard screen passes that the running backs turned into TDs. It took Donovan 7 or 8 games before he actually threw a TD to a wideout.


Who knows haw far the team would have gotten without McNabb. Three years ago when McNabb was hurt the the team weht 5-1 without him. The defense carried the team just like the defense carried the team with McNabb was healthy. McNabb is better than Detmer and McMahon but that doesn't make him Brady, or Manning.

All of that is irrelevant. The thread was about Jerry Mondesire. What did Mondesire say that was inaccurate?